Return-Path: Received: from pop3.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5b3) with ESMTP id 860242 for rob@logan.com; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:26:44 -0400 Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.4]) by pop3.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71866U8000L800S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 17:11:33 -0400 Received: from Epijk@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.4.) id k.122.3ddb588 (2612) for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:34:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Epijk@aol.com Message-ID: <122.3ddb588.28c140ac@aol.com> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:34:04 EDT Subject: Re: TSIO550 Engine Modifications To: lancair.list@olsusa.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> In a message dated 8/30/2001 8:23:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, AVIDWIZ@aol.com writes: << The benefit is increased horsepower (400 HP) and a smoother engine. >> Just some thoughts to contemplate re the subject matter: For the sake of discussion, lets conjecture that they REALLY CAN increase the power output to 400 HP. Since this is not a geared engine, they would (I assume) be increasing the power to 400 HP at 2700 RPM.(??) That being the case, then there would need to be a significant increase in volumetric efficiency, probably accomplished mostly through increasing operational MAP, which (unless intercooler efficiency is dramatically increased) results in higher inlet air temperature, resulting in much-reduced detonation margins. Increase the intercooler capacity and you get higher cooling drag. On "flow-balancing": In-house testing has shown that the big LycoNental heads flow very impressively out-of-the-box. SMALL flow increases can be achieved without detrimental effects; large flow increases are often at the expense of flow "quality" (velocity profile), and often with a net decrease in power produced. Other field experience has shown that any significant metal removal around the valve areas CAN lead to dramatically-reduced valve and cylinder-head life. The in-service reliability of the 350 HP version of this engine is, according to the reports of Lancair owners alone, something less than acceptable, both from heat rejection and structural standpoints. So can it be reasonably deduced that reliability will be in any way increased by such a theoretical increase in demands on an already overtaxed engine? Note that the GTSIO's make from 375 to 435 HP, and in certified aircraft service, typically achieve 600 to 800 hours between top overhauls, largely due to the inability to reject the heat produced at those power levels. In the flight levels, 227 HP (65% of 350) can cause CHT and valve-life concerns. If that's the case, how will the same engine with the same cowling dissipate the heat produced at 260 HP (65% of 400). And if you change the cowling for more cooling, you've probably added more cooling drag, and the airplane might even go slower. (If airframe total drag remains constant, speed increases with the cube root of power increase.) (I'd really like to see some hard data on how many people ACTUALLY fly their engines at 65%, and for what time-fraction.) Remember, the calibration of the dyno is very critical. If you want to see 500 HP from your lawnmower engine, just give me a little time to change the dyno calibration and you can see it. Is it real? You be the judge. The reliability issues (heat-rejection) are real, even with a modest increase at 2700 RPM (225 HP from a claimed 200 HP Lyc IO-360; 335 HP from a claimed 300 HP Lyc IO-540). And, don't forget that you can get a 10 HP increase from a 300 HP IO-540 simply by jacking the prop governor limit up 100 RPM. Bottom line: be cautious and be cynical about claimed HP increases, and consider the effect that those increases (if they actually occur) can have on the reliability of an already-questionable reliability situation. Jack Kane EPI, Inc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>