Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #9654
From: Dale Rogers <rogersda@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Three candidates for Turbo Failure
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 17:45:16 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Hi All,

   Re:
 
> From: "John Slade" <sladerj@bellsouth.net>
> Date: 2004/07/10 Sat AM 10:38:18 EDT
> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Three candidates for Turbo Failure
>
> ...
> ... It's the turbine wheel that failed, not the compressor wheel. On
> each occasion the weld broke right at the base of the turbine wheel, the
> wheel came off and blocked the exhaust outlet.

   The *weld* broke?  Does that mean that the shaft is
still intact?  

   Someone else mentioned the term "friction weld"; I'm not
familiar with it.  This is something different than
"interference fit"?

   Gotta wonder what kind of stresses would cause that weld
to break.  Is the shaft keyed?  Maybe it should be - although
that would complicate balancing it.  Perhaps balancing is
part of the problem.  Maybe at umpteen thousand rpm, +/- .5
gram isn't close enough.  

   Two senarios come to mind: (1) Turbine wheel heats up
faster than the shaft; develops a small amount of clearance
at the end opposite the weld; starts wobbling a little, too
much for the weld to absorb; (2) Turbine gets a little
wobbly at high speed; after sustained high speed operation,
the vibration overcomes the weld.  

   I don't quite understand why the only thing holding that
turbine wheel on the shaft is a *weld*.  Isn't the turbine
Iconel or similar?  Is the shaft also Iconel?  If it isn't, the joint is closer to being a brazing (in principle,
anyway).

My somewhat semi-random thoughts ...

Dale R.
COZY MkIV-R13B-NA #1254

>loose compressor wheels
I'm afraid incorrect terminology may have sent you off in the wrong direction. It's the turbine wheel that failed, not the compressor wheel. On each occasion the weld broke right at the base of the turbine wheel, the wheel came off and blocked the exhaust outlet.
Thanks for all the brain work. Very interesting stuff.
Regards,
john
 
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