Return-Path: Received: from mail.tsisp.com ([65.23.108.44] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2b6) with ESMTP-TLS id 245226 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 17:58:29 -0400 Received: from stevehome by mail.tsisp.com (Technical Support Inc.) with SMTP id CQA74584 for ; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 17:57:58 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Steve Brooks" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Second stock turbo bites the dust Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:59:19 -0400 Message-ID: <007b01c463a4$7d4e5b10$6400a8c0@WORKGROUP.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007C_01C46382.F63CBB10" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007C_01C46382.F63CBB10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I know that he had a Turbonetics turbo charger, but I don’t know what model/ Steve Brooks . I never hear it Richard? from Blue Mountain Instruments? ever had any trouble with this turbo unit. I forget which one it was, but it was not the stock Mazda. Ed Ed Anderson RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: John Slade To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:26 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Second stock turbo bites the dust Steve, Dave and anyone else running a stock single stage turbo - you might want to pay attention.... This morning I managed to break Rusty's turbo. I had been cruising at 11,000 ft with MAP 38, rpm 5100 and 175 kts TAS (about 155 IAS) for almost 2 hours when rpm suddenly dropped to 2500. A 1/4 turn of the mixture toward rich brought it up to 3500. Fuel pressure was 40psi, but I turned on the other pump anyway. Coolant temp dropped from 185 to 150 and EGT dropped from 1400 to 1000. Oil pressure was constant at 90PSI. I was 38 miles from home over a desolate little strip by Lake Okeechobee. I figured I could glide to either field from halfway, so I headed home. The engine ran consistently at reduced power. I maintained 11,000 to the halfway point, then began a gradual decent to arrive over the field at 6000. Once assured of the field I tried killing alternate sets of coils - both gave a decrease in rpm - and alternate sets of injectors - both killed the engine, (or reduced rpm enough that I didn't want to know). One [more] high & fast precautionary landing later and the plane was back in the hangar. I'd thought the new Radio Shack resistors on my secondary injectors might have given out, but no. A quick look up the exhaust pipe told the story. The compressor wheel is sitting at an odd angle blocking the outlet, just like last time. Apparently I was trailing a vortex of black smoke as I descended into the pattern. This probably helped keep the spam cans and whirly birds at bay while I took the active. :) One failure might be a bad turbo. A second one is enough to prove to me that the stock turbo just can't handle the punishment of continual boost. (just like Ed said it wouldn't :) I thought you guys running or planning to run the same turbo might like to hear the story as soon as possible. Regards, John (boost for all you're worth) Slade Now where's the phone number of that Ozzie guy???? -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of Alex Madsen Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 10:15 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Into the blue again :-) No they use solid state. I think it is 2GB Compact Flash. It says somewhere on their web site. You can get 2 GB CF cards and IDE adapters for them. Alex Madsen -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Finn Lassen Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 7:27 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Into the blue again :-) Hmmm.... Doesn't the Blue Mountain and other glass panels use harddrives? I thought that the inside of a harddrive was sealed. Picking a random drive on Seagate's website: Environmental Operating Temperature (°C) 0 to 60 Nonoperating Temperature (°C) 70 to -40 Operating Shock (Gs) @ 2 msec 63 Non Operating Shock (Gs) @ 2 msec 350 Acoustics,Idle (Bels-typ sound power) 2.2 No mention of ambient pressure. Finn Ed Anderson wrote: Boy, now here is an example of what kind of information we have access to on this list. Now that Ernest mentions it, yeah, I recall that the heads of the hard disk float on a cushion of air - but, I would never have thought to associate altitude with hard drive crashes! Thanks Ernest. Ed Ed Anderson RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Christley" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 5:48 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Into the blue again :-) Haywire wrote: Message Today we flew for 6.3 hrs and everything was great again. We calibrated a few items including the electronic governor for the IVO prop. What a difference that makes. Also calibrated the PSS AOA and the Dynon AOA and they each are phenomenal tools. The engine is running great with no major issues at all. I do have a little tweaking to do on the low MAP table, but nothing urgent. Then only problem that I had today was that my Sony Vaio laptop doesn't seem to like high altitude. I have a small Vaio and have built a place for it to mount easily and use it to display Jeppenson's FlightMap in-flight GPS program. It works great until 10,300' where it would then display the blue screen and then reboot. After the 4th time it refused to reboot again so now I'm forced to use the system recovery disc and wipe the disc clean. I hate to think about all the files that I said I would back-up soon... :-(. My old laptop still works fine(using it now) so maybe I'll try it tomorrow. All hard drives have a spinning platter with a read/write head riding a cushion of air just above it. Go to 10,300' and there isn't much of a cushion left. The head will fall into the platter turning at 7500 or 10000 rpm. I think you'll be lucky if the drive ever works again. -- http://www.ernest.isa-geek.org/ "Ignorance is mankinds normal state, alleviated by information and experience." 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I know that he had a Turbonetics turbo charger, but I don’t know what = model/

Steve Brooks

 

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 <= /p>

I never = hear it Richard? from Blue Mountain Instruments? ever had any trouble with = this turbo unit.  I forget which one it was, but it was not the stock = Mazda.<= /p>

 <= /p>

Ed<= /p>

 <= /p>

Ed = Anderson
RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC

----- = Original Message -----

From: John Slade

=

To:<= /font> Rotary motors in aircraft

Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:26 PM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Second stock turbo bites the dust

 <= /p>

Steve, Dave and anyone else running a stock single stage turbo - you might want = to pay attention....

 <= /p>

This morning I managed to break Rusty's turbo.  I had been cruising at = 11,000 ft with MAP 38, rpm 5100 and 175 kts TAS (about 155 IAS) for almost 2 = hours when rpm suddenly dropped to 2500. A 1/4 turn of the mixture toward rich brought it up to 3500. Fuel pressure was 40psi, but I turned on the = other pump anyway. Coolant temp dropped from 185 to 150 and EGT dropped from = 1400 to 1000. Oil pressure was constant at 90PSI. <= /p>

 <= /p>

I was 38 miles from home over a desolate little strip by Lake Okeechobee. I = figured I could glide to either field from halfway, so I headed home. The engine = ran consistently at reduced power. I maintained 11,000 to the halfway point, = then began a gradual decent to arrive over the field at 6000. Once assured of the = field I tried killing alternate sets of coils - both gave a decrease in rpm - = and alternate sets of injectors - both killed the engine, (or reduced rpm = enough that I didn't want to know).<= /p>

 <= /p>

One [more] high & fast precautionary landing later and the plane = was back in the hangar. I'd thought the new Radio Shack resistors on my secondary injectors might have given out, but no. A quick look up the exhaust pipe = told the story. The compressor wheel is sitting at an odd angle blocking the = outlet, just like last time. Apparently I was trailing a vortex of black smoke = as I descended into the pattern. This probably helped keep the spam cans = and whirly birds at bay while I took the active. :) <= /p>

 <= /p>

One failure might be a bad turbo. A second one is enough to prove to me that = the stock turbo just can't handle the punishment of continual boost. (just = like Ed said it wouldn't :)

 <= /p>

I thought you guys running or planning to run the same turbo might like to = hear the story as soon as possible. <= /p>

Regards,<= /p>

John (boost for all you're worth) Slade<= /p>

 <= /p>

Now where's the phone number of that Ozzie guy????<= /p>

 <= /p>

 <= /p>

 <= /p>

 <= /p>

-----Original = Message-----
From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of Alex Madsen
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, = 2004 10:15 PM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Into the blue again :-)

No they use solid state. I think it is 2GB Compact = Flash.  It says somewhere on their web = site. You can get 2 GB CF cards and IDE adapters for = them.

 

Alex Madsen

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Finn Lassen
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, = 2004 7:27 AM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Into the blue again :-)

 

Hmmm.... Doesn't the Blue Mountain and other glass panels use harddrives?
I thought that the inside of a harddrive was sealed.
Picking a random drive on Seagate's website:

Environmental
Operating Temperature (=B0C) 0 to 60
Nonoperating Temperature (=B0C) 70 to -40
Operating Shock (Gs) @ 2 msec 63
Non Operating Shock (Gs) @ 2 msec 350
Acoustics,Idle (Bels-typ sound power) 2.2

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


No mention of ambient pressure.

Finn

Ed Anderson wrote:

Boy, =
now here is an example of what kind of information we have access to =
on
this list.  Now that Ernest mentions it, =
yeah, I recall that the heads of
the hard disk =
float on a cushion of air - but, I would never have thought =
to
associate altitude =
with hard drive crashes!  =
Thanks Ernest.
 
Ed
 
 
Ed =
Anderson
RV-6A N494BW =
Rotary Powered
Matthews, =
NC
----- Original =
Message ----- 
From: "Ernest =
Christley" <echristley@nc.rr.com>
To: "Rotary =
motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.n=
et>
Sent: Sunday, July =
04, 2004 5:48 PM
Subject: =
[FlyRotary] Re: Into the blue again =
:-)
 
 
  =
Haywire =
wrote:
    =
Message    Today we flew for 6.3 hrs and everything =
was great again. We
calibrated a few =
items including the electronic governor for the =
IVO
      =
prop.
  =
What =
a difference that makes. Also calibrated the PSS AOA and the =
Dynon
      =
AOA
  =
and =
they each are phenomenal tools. The engine is running great with =
no
major issues at =
all. I do have a little tweaking to do on the low =
MAP
      =
table,
  =
but =
nothing urgent. Then only problem that I had today was that my =
Sony
      =
Vaio
  =
laptop doesn't seem to like high altitude. I =
have a small Vaio and have
built a place for =
it to mount easily and use it to display =
Jeppenson's
FlightMap =
in-flight GPS program. It works great until 10,300' where =
it
      =
would
  =
then =
display the blue screen and then reboot. After the 4th time =
it
      =
refused
  =
to =
reboot again so now I'm forced to use the system recovery disc =
and
      =
wipe
  =
the =
disc clean. I hate to think about all the files that I said I =
would
back-up soon... =
:-(. My old laptop still works fine(using it now) =
so
      =
maybe
  =
I'll =
try it tomorrow.
      =
All =
hard drives have a spinning platter with a read/write head riding =
a
cushion of air =
just above it.  Go to =
10,300' and there isn't much of a
cushion left.  The head will fall into the =
platter turning at 7500 or
10000 rpm.  I think you'll be lucky if the =
drive ever works again.
 
-- =
http://www.ernest.isa-geek.org/<=
/a>
"Ignorance is =
mankinds normal state,
   alleviated by =
information and experience."
           &n=
bsp;           &nb=
sp;           =
Veeduber
 
    =
 Homepage:  =
http://www.flyrotary.com/
 Archive:   http://lancai=
ronline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html
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