Return-Path: Received: from [24.25.9.103] (HELO ms-smtp-04-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2b6) with ESMTP id 233035 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 10:32:27 -0400 Received: from ms-mss-03-ce0-1 ([10.10.5.84]) by ms-smtp-04-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i61EVtVv004013 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:31:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southeast.rr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ms-mss-03.southeast.rr.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id <0I0600NIXGD707@ms-mss-03.southeast.rr.com> for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 10:31:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.10.1.23] (Forwarded-For: [143.209.73.14]) by ms-mss-03.southeast.rr.com (mshttpd); Thu, 01 Jul 2004 10:31:55 -0400 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 10:31:55 -0400 From: echristley@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] prop angle To: Rotary motors in aircraft Reply-to: echristley@nc.rr.com Message-id: <1e7360c1e717e5.1e717e51e7360c@southeast.rr.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin lane Date: Thursday, July 1, 2004 1:08 am Subject: [FlyRotary] prop angle > I am going to run the 2.85 drive with my 20B. I know that I need > to angle > the engine 1 to 1 1/2 degrees to the right. I read that some > engines are > also angled down apparently. should I also take this into > consideration or > can I simply mount the engine level? is this something pretty > minor? I > haven't tried to measure yet how my fred breese mount was built, and > assuming I have burned all my bridges over there....I can't ask the > designer. > Kevin Lane Portland, OR > e-mail-> n3773@comcast.net > web-> http://home.comcast.net/~n3773 > (browse w/ internet explorer) > A flying airplane very rarely has it's fuselage's centerline pointed directly into the wind. In most cases, that is where it would fly most efficiently, but all sorts of things conspire to throw it off. CG, speed, weight, a bug on the leading edge...they all have some effect on the angle the plane makes with the wind. The designer takes this all into account, and then may modify the engine placement to account for some tendencies. It is as much art as science, and a lot of it depends on what you want to get. Changing the engine offsets changes the 'thrust line', ie the direction is trying to pull/push the plane. The propeller gives a rotational velocity to the air, which may cause one wing to produce more lift than the other...which in turn gets translated to a turning tendency. Putting in a little offset to the thrust line will counteract this tendency, pull the aircraft back to where it should be. When you cut power, will the nose tend to rise or fall? If it tends up and you prefer it to fall, offset the thrust line to point up a little and move the CG forward slightly. The slight up vector will give extra lift in the nose with the engine running. (Turn everything around for a pusher as usual). All of this is playing in the margins, and is the magic that good aerodynamicist use to tune a design to get an airplane that 'feels' good and flies fast. The same tendencies can be created or counteracted just as effectively with trim tabs, but at the cost of a lot of extra drag. Both methods will work, but the former does is by adding power at the correct point vs subtracting it, leaving a higher power budget overall.