Return-Path: Received: from [65.54.169.115] (HELO hotmail.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2b3) with ESMTP id 3227485 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 11 May 2004 19:16:19 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 11 May 2004 16:16:19 -0700 Received: from 4.174.2.65 by BAY3-DAV85.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 11 May 2004 23:16:19 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.174.2.65] X-Originating-Email: [lors01@msn.com] X-Sender: lors01@msn.com From: "Tracy Crook" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Mogas issues Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 19:16:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.02.0011.2700 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0003_01C4378C.6E7161D0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2004 23:16:19.0513 (UTC) FILETIME=[F78A6A90:01C437AD] ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C4378C.6E7161D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message ----- From: echristley@nc.rr.com > =20 > > Mogas stinks - literally. You'll have an > airplane and a hanger that > > smells like a jet ski . It makes passengers sick > real fast. You will get > > tired of the transporting hassles too. I've > never seen any data on > > storage stability, but I know the makers never > plan on it being around much > > longer that a few days. =20 > =20 > Oh Good grief, would anyone take this kind of stuff seriously? > =20 > Tracy (ran Sun100 race on 3 week old 87 octane Mogas) Yes, at least until they knew better or they I knew someone with actual experience who could tell them different. Better to look like a ignoramus asking ridiculous questions, than have a stinking airplane with an engine that won't run. I posted the issues here, 'cause I thought there might be at least one or two who've flown with mogas a few times 8*) I keep hearing nebulous concerns about mixing mogas with composite tanks like the Delta has (alcohol will attack the epoxy, etc), but it doesn't seem like anyone has any solid data. Just innuendo. =20 That is why I was talking with an epoxy expert. I appreciate Perry's data point and 5yrs of experience. Perry, what epoxy did you use for the tanks, and do you take any special precautions when fueling up? The other two 'issues' were out of the blue. The Cherokee I trained in used mogas. I never noted excessive smell, and my flight instructor said it kept his plugs clean. The issue with stale gas has some credence due to my observation of some ultralighter who religiously dump 30day old two-stroke mixes. What I didn't get was how 100LL smelled any better or stored any longer. Both issues appear to be red herrings. I will admit that there comes a time when old gas will stink. In fact th= at is a good indicator of whether the stuff is suitable for using. If it= still smells good, I use it. The corollary to this rule is that if you= r gas stinks, you are not flying often enough :>) Tracy =20 Paraphrasing a line from Apocalypse Now, "I love the smell of gasoline = in the morning, it smells like victory". ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C4378C.6E7161D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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From: echristley@nc.rr.com

>
> > Mogas stinks - literal= ly.   You'll have an
> airplane and a hanger that
>= > smells like a jet ski .   It makes passengers sick
>= ; real fast. You will get
> > tired of the transporting ha= ssles too.   I've
> never seen any data on
> > s= torage stability, but I know the makers never
> plan on it being ar= ound much
> > longer that a few days.
>
&= gt; Oh Good grief, would anyone take this kind of
stuff seriously?
= >
> Tracy (ran Sun100 race on 3 week old 87 octane Mogas)
Yes, at least until they knew better or they I knew
someone with act= ual experience who could tell them
different. Better to look lik= e a ignoramus asking
ridiculous questions, than have a stinking airpla= ne
with an engine that won't run. I posted the issues
here, '= cause I thought there might be at least one
or two who've flown with m= ogas a few times 8*)

I keep hearing nebulous concerns about mixing= mogas
with composite tanks like the Delta has (alcohol
will attack= the epoxy, etc), but it doesn't seem
like anyone has any solid data.&= nbsp; Just innuendo.
That is why I was talking with an epoxy expert.&= nbsp; I
appreciate Perry's data point and 5yrs of
experience. = Perry, what epoxy did you use for the
tanks, and do you take any spec= ial precautions when
fueling up?

The other two 'issues' were ou= t of the blue. The
Cherokee I trained in used mogas. I nev= er noted
excessive smell, and my flight instructor said it
kept his= plugs clean. The issue with stale gas has
some credence due to = my observation of some
ultralighter who religiously dump 30day old
= two-stroke mixes. What I didn't get was how 100LL
smelled any be= tter or stored any longer. Both
issues appear to be red herrings=

I will admit that there comes a time when old gas will stink= In fact that is a good indicator of whether the stuff is suitable= for using. If it still smells good, I use it.   The coro= llary to this rule is that if your gas stinks, you are not flying often e= nough :>)

Tracy

Paraphrasing a line from Apo= calypse Now, "I love the smell of gasoline in the morning, it= smells like victory".

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