Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #6828
From: Russell Duffy <13brv3@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] One step forward and .9 steps back.
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 12:55:19 -0600
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
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Problem 1:  It runs great over about 1900-2000 RPM, but slowing down through that speed (a MAP of about 14) it begins to run rough and requires an extra rich mixture to run at all.  The MAP also goes up to about 17 or 18 despite a fall in RPM.  It is as if when the RPM gets low it cant suck enough vacuum then the computer starts using the wrong part of the MAP table.  I am about ready to set the idle at 2000 and say problem solved.  Sound reasonable or is something wrong?

 
I'm willing to bet this is still a tuning issue.  The problem with trying to tune an erratic running engine, is that the MAP keeps going up and down.  It's difficult to set the mixture at the MAP that needs to be set.  I'm not sure I can offer any sage advice to tuning this, mostly since I've forgotten the details of tuning mine 6 months ago.  Since I'll be doing it again this afternoon, I may have a better answer later.  Mine used to idle as low as about 1000 rpm, but I suspect the new setup won't do as well.  Using Tracy's defaults, the engine would only go as low as about 1800, but that's with no tuning attempt.
 
Problem 2:  I was very disappointed to discover that turning off the alternator makes the engine barely run, especially with any other electrical load, even with 2 batteries connected.   They are fresh healthy batteries.  The voltage drops from 14.2 to 11.5.  If running at less than 2300 RPM when the alternator is turned off the engine begins to surge or stops running all together (however, running on just one set of coils improves the problem.)  If running at higher RPM the engine will just sag a little.
 
Hmmm, this sure doesn't sound right.  Turning off the alternator on mine has zero effect on the engine operation, and that's just with one battery.  In fact, losing my alt fuse in flight was a non-issue also, though it would have been a bit more serious if I hadn't noticed the low voltage (about 11.5 IIRC) on the meter. 
 
Think about your primary power wiring a minute.  Does the battery have a big beefy wire running to the bus?  When you turn off your alt, is there any chance that your battery is being forced to feed the bus through a small gauge wire?  That would cause a voltage drop.  When you turn off the alt, is it just the alt, or a master switch of some sort?  Will this change the way the pumps, and ignition get there power, maybe from an essential bus?  As has been mentioned, an essential bus will be lower in voltage, due to the drop across a diode.  These are just some things to think about.  


This calls in serious issues about my electrical reliability.  I may decide to install a switch to disable one set of coils, or trading the momentary switch that came with the EC2 to a regular 3 position switch.  Those LS1 Coils sure do seem to need a lot of Juice.
 
I installed full size switches for my ignition disable function rather than the momentary switch that was provided.  I'd like to say that I did it for some grand reason, but in reality, I didn't notice that Tracy sent the switches until after I had installed the switches I had :-)  Still, you just shouldn't have to do this for the reason you're thinking.  There has to be some answer for #2.

Problem 3: (THE BIG PROBLEM) My coolant doesn’t seem to be flowing well, despite the fact that I have no thermostat and have welded the bypass passage in the pump housing.  I ran for almost an hour at 3000 RPM with no apparent problem.  Going up to 4000 RPM after that the coolant quickly overheated and boiled over.  Surprisingly, the radiator was just luke-warm. 
 
I agree.  This is a big problem. 
 
A) My AN-16 hose (engine to Rad) maybe is just not big enough – unlikely because the fitting on the rad doesn’t even get warm. 
 
AN-16 is plenty big.  I'm only running AN-12 now.  Also, you noticed the cool fitting on the rad, which was good troubleshooting BTW.
 
 B)  the Water pump sold to me by Adkins is really for a 3rd gen and is running backward. – possible because the outlet side of the rad seems to get warmer than the inlet side, but only slightly maybe and it is closer to the turbo. 
 
Does your water pump housing look very similar to the one in the attached pics?  If so, it's a 2nd gen.  I would expect that's what you would have  received from Atkins.  How do your belts run?  A second gen wp should run the same direction as the eccentric shaft.  A 3rd gen runs opposite.   
 
C)  I have a flap of rubber partially blocking the outlet hose.  D)  The pump just refuses to properly prime itself. 
 
Neither very likely.  C is easy to check, and D won't be a problem is the block is full of water. 
 
E) Maybe the thermostat bypass passage is not properly welded closed. – can’t see it because of the welded plate, will have to look with a dental mirror.  F) ???? any input or other ideas?
 
I was suspecting this as well.  Are you positive that the water outlet from the housing didn't get welded shut? 
 
Where is your water temp sensor?   What does it show? 


Dave Leonard (still rather be working on these issues than shaping that exit duct)
 
Shows you're a smart guy :-)  Good luck.
 
Rusty (off to the hanger, finally)


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