X-CGP-ClamAV-Result: CLEAN X-VirusScanner: Niversoft's CGPClamav Helper v1.23.0 (ClamAV engine v0.103.0) X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-KAS-Score: 0 [] From: " 12348ung@gmail.com" Received: from mail-pj1-f48.google.com ([209.85.216.48] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.3.5) with ESMTPS id 175913 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 01 Aug 2021 18:08:20 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.216.48; envelope-from=12348ung@gmail.com Received: by mail-pj1-f48.google.com with SMTP id m10-20020a17090a34cab0290176b52c60ddso22010579pjf.4 for ; Sun, 01 Aug 2021 15:08:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :thread-index:content-language; bh=IsZcKisn5xp8CvRX67p9l1WAOmu0J67ZRGtGPgRA6nQ=; b=JkMxdkXk8wXeyM3ODw7dIu4P32dBIIkZfZhizQsaCXBUxoR7QqO19e8WjpdgSGtzzV gALf4u8qkrSaSFLkqgBDTpZpfJEZRKj+/SxA6dymI+Vs5kDE2W79vv95N2bOL4VQbICQ cfenjJtPqytMrnEmMo+u/Bxy7qs86uF87xTobkBkbiIcyAd9NrLuMhsF1VoPvnaVpvSG rNP6WFtFrb7awp6cQlfNA07EIjbLTeDNcGtx8gxeTk8pMXVtNrA+0yyLt64SqM9YFVgv J1N4FO4Y3iFvC/zV7hHuGUGMoxKKD1XeW223wN6Xkg3xz7imd2+GhNSxl1N4lHGNDK6D CNEg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:thread-index:content-language; bh=IsZcKisn5xp8CvRX67p9l1WAOmu0J67ZRGtGPgRA6nQ=; b=pLTV17UrBa1KEzPB5HiFkliL05x5T3bKkqg7Y/Q/LSu3LMOXL/hV2mraZERCR4ZbG5 mqSrIA1q/kYy1GQoJ8hROr/WiRCl4LOSdf/+EUE/QlgQo98JeO1ml+aqJXSDY7q0xadr vja2iF5RJUG8zXcVMvsDmeAsDeWXoH/QGaQ/cPMqJtn2OG25yNw8QXt0MhPOO+7/61QS VaF2P9o12jdUld+nF3FbsigmUEA31RyQQpkTKOb1MW9sKxuafFC3AyFcD0w16DUO+fWx ThmrM5+dAbw1Fn3RQWJ0R9c2/eFnoFScebOx4XDpLWf/ot7SrfOL1krjfjGddVlaX4i4 q0kg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533qYUtw46XaSN1o2/F7F6e5C5UKR/VhWAG/XOAUy7Pxn8mK+gqr RFmNuQd2fTXtED7Wi9i5zK3kK18fYW8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzF2LuCotfPBUHasOYYBIe63wS76YT0PKmJChq+P9xrE0jZI5ivN3E3QuIn39GXwPprtmXakA== X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:a883:: with SMTP id h3mr14580161pjq.226.1627855684227; Sun, 01 Aug 2021 15:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <12348ung@gmail.com> Received: from UserPC ([103.198.24.78]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z9sm9366248pfa.2.2021.08.01.15.08.02 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 01 Aug 2021 15:08:03 -0700 (PDT) To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: PC680 Battery Capacity Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 08:08:01 +1000 Message-ID: <001e01d78721$b2af1c50$180d54f0$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01D78775.845B2C50" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQGpZUSSSXzU4FoHZAGhyfpeCkzsnKu7douA Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01D78775.845B2C50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ED, Only have had 2 engine outs in my life and it sure tightens the cheeks = of your bum. Managed to get down safely both times, but it is still in = my mind. Used to fly a twin thinking I could now fly anywhere as the = second engine would =E2=80=9Cget me there=E2=80=9D. Yeah, bullshit, but = it was not until just before I sold it that an instructor mate and I = tried flying distance on one engine, and loss of one on take off. As = they correctly say the second engine will only take you to the scene of = the accident. Fortunately I lived in bliss and never had to find that = out flying over =E2=80=9Ctiger country=E2=80=9D. =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft =20 Sent: Monday, August 2, 2021 12:57 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: PC680 Battery Capacity =20 Hi Charlie, =20 I can verify the 40-45minute capacity of the PC680 at load. I had my = system setup so that a contactor could be closed/open via a switch on my = panel. I had read case of lead acid batterys exploding when an = alternator "ran away" with too high voltages, so I installed the = capacity to disconnect the battery from the Alternator. =20 During one trip to Texas from NC I stopped an refueled in Alabama. = Approx 40 minutes after taking off, the engine started missing, I = checked to make sure I had fuel going to the engine, even switched tanks = this time. Missing continued so I turned toward Salema, Al where there = was a old USAF training airbase. As I continued the missing kept = getting worst and finally approx 5 miles out the engine quit. = Continuing the glide I contacted the Airport and just had time to tell = them I was making an engine out landing when I heard a click and the = panel when dead with no lights, nothing! Made it dead stick into the = airport and discovered while trouble shooting that the battery connect = switch was in the disengaged position and battery voltage was down to = around 6 volts. Yeah, I though to check the fuel but never thought to = check that switch because after installing it - I never used it. I must = have accidently hit the switch with my foot when exiting the cockpit at = my refueling stop. =20 =20 Yes, I immediatedly installed a switch guard after returning home. But, = 40-45 minutes shoulds right for PC680.=F0=9F=98=84 =20 Ed =20 ------ Original Message ------ From: "Charlie England ceengland7@gmail.com = " > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" > Sent: 7/31/2021 8:57:43 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Airventure 2021 =20 I took a slightly different path; I figured that if the alt quit, then = the flight limit is how much the battery has in its 'tank'. A PC680 = sized SLA is good for about 40 minutes with typical load from electronic = injection. I've become a bit of a sissy in my old age; I want the engine = to run until the fuel in the *gas tank* is gone. So, I made some = brackets to add a 2nd alt; mounted where the air conditioner compressor = lived in the car, and run off the 2nd pulley. Of course now, with it = looking like Covid's going to outlast me, I'll likely never get to = travel in the plane anyway, so I may just go back to the 40 minute limit = & save the weight. =20 Charlie =20 On Sat, Jul 31, 2021 at 10:45 AM eanderson@carolina.rr.com = > wrote: I flew for a number of years with two 22 lb batteries without every = needing the "spare". I then switch to a single Odyssey PC 680 17 lb = battery and switched it out every 3 years (stuck used one in riding = mower) and flew for over 15 years using this configuration. Never had a = battery problem with either, but saved weight and money with the one = battery. =20 But, my view is if you are not comfortable flying with a certain = configuration, then don't. Fly with a configuration that you feel = secure with and you will enjoy flying all the more.=F0=9F=98=84 =20 Ed ------ Original Message ------ From: "12348ung@gmail.com " = > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" > Sent: 7/30/2021 3:21:45 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Airventure 2021 =20 Le Roux, Agree a great product, but I am more concerned with = the engine battery backup. Therefore I have 2 batteries . Since no longer flying instruments, I can still fly looking out the = window, but if the engine fails --- Then you know what is trumps!! Neil. =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft >=20 Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 2:05 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Airventure 2021 =20 Realy nice product =20 https://www.kitplanes.com/tcw-technologies-airventure-2021-update/ Sent from my iPhone Le Roux Breytenbach=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01D78775.845B2C50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

ED,

Only have had 2 engine = outs in my life and it sure tightens the cheeks of your bum.=C2=A0 = Managed to get down safely both times, but it is still in my mind.=C2=A0 = Used to fly a twin thinking I could now fly anywhere as the second = engine would =E2=80=9Cget me there=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 Yeah, bullshit, but = it was not until just before I sold it that an instructor mate and I = tried flying distance on one engine, and loss of one on take off.=C2=A0 = As they correctly say the second engine will only take you to the scene = of the accident.=C2=A0 Fortunately I lived in bliss and never had to = find that out flying over =E2=80=9Ctiger = country=E2=80=9D.

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Monday, August 2, = 2021 12:57 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = PC680 Battery Capacity

 

Hi = Charlie,

 

I can verify the 40-45minute capacity of the PC680 at = load.  I had my system setup so that a contactor could be = closed/open via a switch on my panel. I had read case of lead acid = batterys exploding when an alternator "ran away" with too high = voltages, so I installed the capacity to disconnect the battery from the = Alternator.

 

During one trip to Texas from NC I stopped an refueled = in Alabama.  Approx 40 minutes after taking off, the engine started = missing, I checked to make sure I had fuel going to the engine, even = switched tanks this time.  Missing continued so I turned toward = Salema, Al where there was a old USAF training airbase.  As I = continued the missing kept getting worst and finally approx 5 miles out = the engine quit.  Continuing the glide I contacted the Airport and = just had time to tell them I was making an engine out landing when I = heard a click and the panel when dead with no lights, nothing!  = Made it dead stick into the airport and discovered while trouble = shooting that the battery connect switch was in the disengaged position = and battery voltage was down to around 6 volts.  Yeah, I though to = check the fuel but never thought to check that switch because after = installing it - I never used it.  I must have accidently hit the = switch with my foot when exiting the cockpit at my refueling = stop.  

 

Yes, I immediatedly installed a switch guard after = returning home.  But, 40-45 minutes shoulds right for = PC680.😄

 

Ed

 

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