X-CGP-ClamAV-Result: CLEAN X-VirusScanner: Niversoft's CGPClamav Helper v1.23.0 (ClamAV engine v0.103.0) X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-KAS-Score: 0 [] From: "Le Roux Breytenbach breytenbachleroux@gmail.com" Received: from mail-ed1-f54.google.com ([209.85.208.54] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.3.5) with ESMTPS id 175793 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 01 Aug 2021 16:58:26 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.208.54; envelope-from=breytenbachleroux@gmail.com Received: by mail-ed1-f54.google.com with SMTP id y12so21719789edo.6 for ; Sun, 01 Aug 2021 13:58:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version:subject:date:message-id :references:in-reply-to:to; bh=d2rv2tB8XqmgPeIVAnFC0G2jhZv4uIDZR5mQHnyBzFo=; b=ugAUwwO/2bls2myQLi7gAmCbJl24RLJTu17akXwJtQ2nrwWf9sXJOeYVWADMixDH2r BRiaKqY45FwU246SQOBgYSIzIOXKWDBczVgq3vPok11/9jZbpkH70KpdQMslIYbKyhVv 4mcOdpQ8AwtN7WQuX1T9AZkXTCdjVaxGTTfvUQSgT/SSFdXI73+F6IT1Dmb4C30wNNEY SLaEk96E4zpaeRyJFbCyVhK44f4QCq4y4kdPGUCnYTQjUsPxx6zbauMh5eO+HtN06Mm2 PvphBHVKa881oObc30WqvEl7yV1FPu31B+queXN7+6xC48moUJJbA9uonRSJMpuGyO1X DERg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version :subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to:to; bh=d2rv2tB8XqmgPeIVAnFC0G2jhZv4uIDZR5mQHnyBzFo=; b=DqS/4LsUzz0f+9+fYT/+bv91WdqiNWborcKZw8gZgny6a/gHcVgi9ub6UeRDr8VHF4 AQ8xUXmPUYpR+NO6BMJ/jMTJWLK/Yr0LNfgNudbOQwUzhbn8qHBP1m4viqXaZR5cCViq zgmW2QRIr1ChJ1fcAICy7l/QhuIJb39/jHFEGodA6uQ2LbksRNsqX2STzNBFzhISwNSZ 0MC+1+QU558c9MhU5KC1cj4pUkyM+qUBnaR8cX93g7xd+2lQlDLay2wEdZ9BUnP/W0x8 NptxxE3xZ8qYWxv5O6vmubCqToy8PNvJxYR8nRqFXkdtPuemDaCJHoFdiNmiPYsOxuDr CCng== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533cnFGJLPL8wLROvfcNtM2jwVi8lXsARzkRPzmsRFhwrXY6P69a mUoMD1ITZFlOevDm55zAPtuBkkmvDXM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwSn/h0+NVZTW7pz5AyZmrINfp0ccJuRjqS5I9ox+HUScVjUG2DSVxXpKuZNIc6P5zNVeYpjA== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:22e9:: with SMTP id dn9mr15814634edb.218.1627851489522; Sun, 01 Aug 2021 13:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.1.116] ([160.226.139.189]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w13sm4818278ede.24.2021.08.01.13.58.08 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 01 Aug 2021 13:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-74C695BB-D684-48AB-908E-816FD85AFE53 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: PC680 Battery Capacity Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 22:58:06 +0200 Message-Id: <57561D11-9D62-4C8E-8BFE-76D6BBBD6BA9@gmail.com> References: In-Reply-To: To: Rotary motors in aircraft X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17H35) --Apple-Mail-74C695BB-D684-48AB-908E-816FD85AFE53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow !! Ed what a story to tell. Sometimes there is a piece of good luck for everyone of us. Good to here that your back up system work just as it should, this is why al= l the redundancy is planned and build into the systems. Still practicing regularly a =E2=80=9Cengine out=E2=80=9Dand try and see if i= can reach the airfield, but it is different if you know that you can just p= ush the throttle to reach the landing strip I only have 93 hours off PPL experience on my log book. Hire and Fly at my l= ocal flying club. Most of the time on the Piper 180 ( PA - 28) Building and building on my homebuild project but will get there or so we al= l believe=20 Thanks for sharing your experiences. Me and my wife https://drive.google.com/file/d/1drm4o6SEQB5cmFjImJMgtUClZGg5fTfw/view?usp=3D= drivesdk Le Roux Sent from my iPhone Le Roux Breytenbach=20 > On 01 Aug 2021, at 16:57, eanderson@carolina.rr.com wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > Hi Charlie, >=20 > I can verify the 40-45minute capacity of the PC680 at load. I had my syst= em setup so that a contactor could be closed/open via a switch on my panel. I= had read case of lead acid batterys exploding when an alternator "ran away"= with too high voltages, so I installed the capacity to disconnect the batte= ry from the Alternator. >=20 > During one trip to Texas from NC I stopped an refueled in Alabama. Approx= 40 minutes after taking off, the engine started missing, I checked to make s= ure I had fuel going to the engine, even switched tanks this time. Missing c= ontinued so I turned toward Salema, Al where there was a old USAF training a= irbase. As I continued the missing kept getting worst and finally approx 5 m= iles out the engine quit. Continuing the glide I contacted the Airport and j= ust had time to tell them I was making an engine out landing when I heard a c= lick and the panel when dead with no lights, nothing! Made it dead stick in= to the airport and discovered while trouble shooting that the battery connec= t switch was in the disengaged position and battery voltage was down to arou= nd 6 volts. Yeah, I though to check the fuel but never thought to check tha= t switch because after installing it - I never used it. I must have acciden= tly hit the switch with my foot when exiting the cockpit at my refueling sto= p. =20 >=20 > Yes, I immediatedly installed a switch guard after returning home. But, 4= 0-45 minutes shoulds right for PC680.=F0=9F=98=84 >=20 > Ed >=20 > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Charlie England ceengland7@gmail.com" = > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" > Sent: 7/31/2021 8:57:43 AM > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Airventure 2021 >=20 >> I took a slightly different path; I figured that if the alt quit, then th= e flight limit is how much the battery has in its 'tank'. A PC680 sized SLA i= s good for about 40 minutes with typical load from electronic injection. I'v= e become a bit of a sissy in my old age; I want the engine to run until the f= uel in the *gas tank* is gone. So, I made some brackets to add a 2nd alt; mo= unted where the air conditioner compressor lived in the car, and run off the= 2nd pulley. Of course now, with it looking like Covid's going to outlast me= , I'll likely never get to travel in the plane anyway, so I may just go back= to the 40 minute limit & save the weight. >>=20 >> Charlie >>=20 >>> On Sat, Jul 31, 2021 at 10:45 AM eanderson@carolina.rr.com wrote: >>> I flew for a number of years with two 22 lb batteries without every need= ing the "spare". I then switch to a single Odyssey PC 680 17 lb battery and= switched it out every 3 years (stuck used one in riding mower) and flew for= over 15 years using this configuration. Never had a battery problem with e= ither, but saved weight and money with the one battery. >>>=20 >>> But, my view is if you are not comfortable flying with a certain configu= ration, then don't. Fly with a configuration that you feel secure with and y= ou will enjoy flying all the more.=F0=9F=98=84 >>>=20 >>> Ed >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "12348ung@gmail.com" >>> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" >>> Sent: 7/30/2021 3:21:45 PM >>> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Airventure 2021 >>>=20 >>>> Le Roux, >>>>=20 >>>> Agree a great product, but I am more concerned with t= he engine battery backup. Therefore I have 2 batteries >>>>=20 >>>> . Since no longer flying instruments, I can still fly looking out the w= indow, but if the engine fails --- Then you know what is trumps!! >>>>=20 >>>> Neil. >>>>=20 >>>> =20 >>>>=20 >>>> From: Rotary motors in aircraft =20 >>>> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 2:05 PM >>>> To: Rotary motors in aircraft >>>> Subject: [FlyRotary] Airventure 2021 >>>>=20 >>>> =20 >>>>=20 >>>> Realy nice product >>>>=20 >>>> =20 >>>>=20 >>>> https://www.kitplanes.com/tcw-technologies-airventure-2021-update/ >>>>=20 >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>=20 >>>> Le Roux Breytenbach=20 --Apple-Mail-74C695BB-D684-48AB-908E-816FD85AFE53 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow !! Ed what a story to tell.
Sometim= es there is a piece of good luck for everyone of us.
Good to here t= hat your back up system work just as it should, this is why all the redundan= cy is planned and build into the systems.

Still pra= cticing regularly a =E2=80=9Cengine out=E2=80=9Dand try and see if i can rea= ch the airfield, but it is different if you know that you can just push the t= hrottle to reach the landing strip

I only have 93 h= ours off PPL experience on my log book. Hire and Fly at my local flying club= . Most of the time on the Piper 180 ( PA - 28)
Building and buildi= ng on my homebuild project but will get there or so we all believe 
Thanks for sharing your experiences.
Me and my wife


Le Roux




<= div>




Sent from my iPhone
Le Roux Breytenbach 

On 01 Aug 2021, at 16:57, eanderson= @carolina.rr.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Hi Charli= e,

I can verify the 40-45minute capacity of the PC6= 80 at load.  I had my system setup so that a contactor could be closed/= open via a switch on my panel. I had read case of lead acid batterys explodi= ng when an alternator "ran away" with too high voltages, so I installed the c= apacity to disconnect the battery from the Alternator.

<= div>During one trip to Texas from NC I stopped an refueled in Alabama. = Approx 40 minutes after taking off, the engine started missing, I checked t= o make sure I had fuel going to the engine, even switched tanks this time.&n= bsp; Missing continued so I turned toward Salema, Al where there was a old U= SAF training airbase.  As I continued the missing kept getting worst an= d finally approx 5 miles out the engine quit.  Continuing the glide I c= ontacted the Airport and just had time to tell them I was making an engine o= ut landing when I heard a click and the panel when dead with no lights, noth= ing!  Made it dead stick into the airport and discovered while trouble s= hooting that the battery connect switch was in the disengaged position and b= attery voltage was down to around 6 volts.  Yeah, I though to check the= fuel but never thought to check that switch because after instal= ling it - I never used it.  I must have accidently hit the switch with m= y foot when exiting the cockpit at my refueling stop. &nbs= p;

Yes, I immediatedly installed a switch gu= ard after returning home.  But, 40-45 minutes shoulds right for PC680.=F0= =9F=98=84

Ed

------ Original Message ------
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: 7/31/2021 8:57:43 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Airventure 2021

I to= ok a slightly different path; I figured that if the alt quit, then the fligh= t limit is how much the battery has in its 'tank'. A PC680 sized SLA is good= for about 40 minutes with typical load from electronic injection. I've beco= me a bit of a sissy in my old age; I want the engine to run until the fuel i= n the *gas tank* is gone. So, I made some brackets to add a 2nd alt; mounted= where the air conditioner compressor lived in the car, and run off the 2nd p= ulley. Of course now, with it looking like Covid's going to outlast me,= I'll likely never get to travel in the plane anyway, so I may just go back t= o the 40 minute limit & save the weight.

Charlie

On Sat, Jul 31, 2021 at 10:45 AM eanderson@carolina.rr.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wro= te:
I fl= ew for a number of years with two 22 lb batteries without every needing the "= spare".  I then switch to a single Odyssey PC 680 17 lb battery and swi= tched it out every 3 years (stuck used one in riding mower) and flew for ove= r 15 years using this configuration.  Never had a battery problem with e= ither, but saved weight and money with the one battery.

=
But, my view is if you are not comfortable flying with a certain config= uration, then don't.  Fly with a configuration that you feel secure wit= h and you will enjoy flying all the more.=F0=9F=98=84

Ed
------ Original Message ------
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: 7/30/2021 3:21:45 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Airventure 2021

Le Roux,

        &nb= sp;         Agree a great product, b= ut I am more concerned with the engine battery backup. Therefore I have 2 ba= tteries

= .  Since no longer flying instruments, I can still fly looking out the w= indow, but if the engine fails --- Then you know what is trumps!!<= /u>

Neil.

 =

From: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 2:05 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <= ;flyrotary@lancaironline.net<= /a>>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Airventure 2021

 

Realy nice product

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