X-CGP-ClamAV-Result: CLEAN X-VirusScanner: Niversoft's CGPClamav Helper v1.23.0 (ClamAV engine v0.103.0) X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-KAS-Score: 0 [] From: " eanderson@carolina.rr.com" Received: from [47.43.26.134] (HELO p-impout003.msg.pkvw.co.charter.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.3.5) with ESMTPS id 175163 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 01 Aug 2021 10:57:23 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=47.43.26.134; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([66.26.212.217]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id ACtjm7UXUW7BWACtmmgIyl; Sun, 01 Aug 2021 14:57:06 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=ecD4w5IH c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=6106b642 a=WcvdwKkRgKsaRaJ9Bx4DbQ==:117 a=WcvdwKkRgKsaRaJ9Bx4DbQ==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=eKhGbfrDAAAA:8 a=rCGbjnK3vsf8lLaVN6QA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=4PR2P7QzAAAA:8 a=XoV7lqwwfTzJiYI-vo8A:9 a=sRCKdZiqqPb48tDK:21 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=B_RyunTPg8udlmYm5Cu2:22 a=UDUmxsVa2tvOjJGaeGiU:22 a=4dqwQCo7Po2mVW515mGf:22 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: PC680 Battery Capacity Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2021 14:57:03 +0000 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: eanderson@carolina.rr.com User-Agent: eM_Client/8.2.1509.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------=_MBD23CCB12-F6DF-43C7-A371-C5B185049548" X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfD9D++mUCt2qDreISKtcA7568V1Yc5kfmVTaX1wkV5M5oD+AIW2XuTTTFkf4bUpjQupGV/hMR6s45zXyV9i/5/6R9Q9A0ULm5Ku3dtbnamMDq52N0v3m KnRtgJhtzcWMuA+nk4/IPlw1c/fuCE4ht+MsV3ESA9MTdpqky+yWXoGui8rS3tggA+6pfbXBCsRwb8KpjVPR/bpKrQhpSkT1JIo= --------=_MBD23CCB12-F6DF-43C7-A371-C5B185049548 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Charlie, I can verify the 40-45minute capacity of the PC680 at load. I had my=20 system setup so that a contactor could be closed/open via a switch on my=20 panel. I had read case of lead acid batterys exploding when an=20 alternator "ran away" with too high voltages, so I installed the=20 capacity to disconnect the battery from the Alternator. During one trip to Texas from NC I stopped an refueled in Alabama. =20 Approx 40 minutes after taking off, the engine started missing, I=20 checked to make sure I had fuel going to the engine, even switched tanks=20 this time. Missing continued so I turned toward Salema, Al where there=20 was a old USAF training airbase. As I continued the missing kept=20 getting worst and finally approx 5 miles out the engine quit. =20 Continuing the glide I contacted the Airport and just had time to tell=20 them I was making an engine out landing when I heard a click and the=20 panel when dead with no lights, nothing! Made it dead stick into the=20 airport and discovered while trouble shooting that the battery connect=20 switch was in the disengaged position and battery voltage was down to=20 around 6 volts. Yeah, I though to check the fuel but never thought to=20 check that switch because after installing it - I never used it. I must=20 have accidently hit the switch with my foot when exiting the cockpit at=20 my refueling stop. Yes, I immediatedly installed a switch guard after returning home. But,=20 40-45 minutes shoulds right for PC680.=F0=9F=98=84 Ed ------ Original Message ------ From: "Charlie England ceengland7@gmail.com"=20 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Sent: 7/31/2021 8:57:43 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Airventure 2021 >I took a slightly different path; I figured that if the alt quit, then=20 >the flight limit is how much the battery has in its 'tank'. A PC680=20 >sized SLA is good for about 40 minutes with typical load from=20 >electronic injection. I've become a bit of a sissy in my old age; I=20 >want the engine to run until the fuel in the *gas tank* is gone. So, I=20 >made some brackets to add a 2nd alt; mounted where the air conditioner=20 >compressor lived in the car, and run off the 2nd pulley. Of course now,=20 >with it looking like Covid's going to outlast me, I'll likely never get=20 >to travel in the plane anyway, so I may just go back to the 40 minute=20 >limit & save the weight. > >Charlie > >On Sat, Jul 31, 2021 at 10:45 AM eanderson@carolina.rr.com=20 > wrote: >>I flew for a number of years with two 22 lb batteries without every=20 >>needing the "spare". I then switch to a single Odyssey PC 680 17 lb=20 >>battery and switched it out every 3 years (stuck used one in riding=20 >>mower) and flew for over 15 years using this configuration. Never had=20 >>a battery problem with either, but saved weight and money with the one=20 >>battery. >> >>But, my view is if you are not comfortable flying with a certain=20 >>configuration, then don't. Fly with a configuration that you feel=20 >>secure with and you will enjoy flying all the more.=F0=9F=98=84 >> >>Ed >>------ Original Message ------ >>From: "12348ung@gmail.com" >>To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" >>Sent: 7/30/2021 3:21:45 PM >>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Airventure 2021 >> >>>Le Roux, >>> >>> Agree a great product, but I am more concerned with= =20 >>>the engine battery backup. Therefore I have 2 batteries >>> >>>. Since no longer flying instruments, I can still fly looking out=20 >>>the window, but if the engine fails --- Then you know what is=20 >>>trumps!! >>> >>>Neil. >>> >>> >>> >>>From: Rotary motors in aircraft >>>Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 2:05 PM >>>To: Rotary motors in aircraft >>>Subject: [FlyRotary] Airventure 2021 >>> >>> >>> >>>Realy nice product >>> >>> >>> >>>https://www.kitplanes.com/tcw-technologies-airventure-2021-update/ >>> >>>Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>Le Roux Breytenbach >>> --------=_MBD23CCB12-F6DF-43C7-A371-C5B185049548 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Charlie,

I can verify the 40-45minute capacity of the PC680 at loa= d.=C2=A0 I had my system setup so that a contactor could be closed/open via = a switch on my panel. I had read case of lead acid batterys exploding when = an alternator "ran away" with too high voltages, so I installed the capaci= ty to disconnect the battery from the Alternator.

During one trip to Texas from NC I stopped an refueled in Alabama.=C2=A0= Approx 40 minutes after taking off, the engine started missing, I checked t= o make sure I had fuel going to the engine, even switched tanks this time.= =C2=A0 Missing continued so I turned toward Salema, Al where there was a ol= d USAF training airbase.=C2=A0 As I continued the missing kept getting wors= t and finally approx 5 miles out the engine quit.=C2=A0 Continuing the glid= e I contacted the Airport and just had time to tell them I was making an en= gine out landing when I heard a click and the panel when dead with no light= s, nothing!=C2=A0 Made it dead stick into the airport and discovered while= trouble shooting that the battery connect switch was in the disengaged posi= tion and battery voltage was down to around 6 volts.=C2=A0 Yeah, I though t= o check the fuel=C2=A0but never thought to check that switch because= after installing it - I never used it.=C2=A0 I must have accidently hit the = switch with my foot when exiting the cockpit at my refueling= stop.=C2=A0=C2=A0

Yes, I immediatedly ins= talled a switch guard after returning home.=C2=A0 But, 40-45 minutes should= s right for PC680.=F0=9F=98=84

Ed

------ Original Message ------
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: 7/31/2021 8:57:43 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Airventure 2021

I t= ook a slightly different path; I figured that if the alt quit, then the fli= ght limit is how much the battery has in its 'tank'. A PC680 sized SLA is g= ood for about 40 minutes with typical load from electronic injection. I've= become a bit of a sissy in my old age; I want the engine to run until the f= uel in the *gas tank* is gone. So, I made some brackets to add a 2nd alt; m= ounted where the air conditioner compressor lived in the car, and run off t= he 2nd pulley. Of=C2=A0course now, with it looking like Covid's going to ou= tlast me, I'll likely never get to travel in the plane anyway, so I may jus= t go back to the 40 minute limit & save the weight.

Charlie

On Sat, Jul 31, 2021 at 10:= 45 AM eanderson@carolina.rr.co= m <flyrotary@lancairo= nline.net> wrote:
I flew for a number of years with two 22 lb batteries= without every needing the "spare".=C2=A0 I then switch to a single Odyssey= PC 680 17 lb battery and switched it out every 3 years (stuck used one in r= iding mower) and flew for over 15 years using this configuration.=C2=A0 Nev= er had a battery problem with either, but saved weight and money with the o= ne battery.

But, my view is if you are not comfo= rtable flying with a certain configuration, then don't.=C2=A0 Fly with a co= nfiguration that you feel secure with and you will enjoy flying all the mor= e.=F0=9F=98=84

Ed
------ Original Message ------
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: 7/30/2021 3:21:45 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Airventure 2021

Le Roux,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Agree a great produc= t, but I am more concerned with the engine battery backup. Therefore I have = 2 batteries

.=C2=A0 Since no longer flying instruments, I can still fly looking o= ut the window, but if the engine fails --- Then you know what is trumps!!

Neil.=

= =C2=A0

From: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net= >
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 2:05 PM
To: Rotar= y motors in aircraft <fly= rotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Airventur= e 2021

=C2=A0=

Realy nice product

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