Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #66976
From: 12348ung@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: FW: FW: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel Tech
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2021 08:06:52 +1000
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

Dave and Bobby,

                                Below is response from my bloke in OZ who is the expert in Fueltech.  So looks like I now just need the trim knob and not the TPS.  What do you think?

                 Neil.

 

From: Nathaniel @ FuelTech <nathaniel@fueltech.net>
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 9:44 AM
To: 12348ung@gmail.com
Subject: Re: FW: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel Tech

 

Hey Neil

 

The way they have done it on the microsquirt is to really overcomplicate something that doesn't need to be done. The way that was mentioned first is going to be the easiest way to do it.

 

We make a main fuel table that is based off the manifold vacuum/boost, then apply a % correction based off the TPS. Which in this case will just be a trim knob. The good thing as well is we can have fuel enrichment based off manifold pressure change which will allow for the change in throttle if there is ever enough of a change that it requires extra enrichment. This is all delta changes, so if manifold vacuum/boost changes in a slow manner then there is no need for extra fuel, but if the delta is high because of a rapid change it will compensate.

 

So I would do as suggest and fit the trim knob and wire it to the ECU as a TPS

 

Nathaniel

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FuelTech USA

455 Wilbanks Dr.

Ball Ground, GA 30107

 

Toll Free: 855-595-3835

Alt Phone: 678-493-FUEL (3835)

 

 

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From: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2021 8:25 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel Tech

 

Dave,

 

Last year a purchased a Microsquirt to play with on the bench. I managed to get a working manual mixture control. It uses two blended fuel tables. The Fueltech may have a similar way to modify the fuel formula. I like the build in screen of the Fueltech.

 

 

VE1 – Speed Density – Primary Fuel Load

VE2 – Alpha –N   - Secondary Fuel Load - 10K trim pot (all tuning done at 50% TBS position / center of trim pot)

Secondary fuel  - multiplicative

Multiply MAP – don’t multiply

 

VE2 – test values. TPS position moves vertically within the column.

 

 

Bobby

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2021 5:14 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel Tech

 

No, the EC2 does not use a TPS and I don't have one mounted.  A TPS is not really necessary in aviation use because we don't have a lot of big rapid throttle changes or throttle-RPM mismatch situations.

 

This is the TPS adjustment table that I am going to try to start with.  Fine adjustment in the middle and larger adjustments at the extremes of travel on the knob.  Super easy to change the table based on what I find works best.

 

 

 

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 2:32 PM 12348ung@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Dave, you are a cunning boy!  Do you still use one on the throttle, I suspect not? 

Neil.

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2021 1:30 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel Tech

 

The fueltech has a programmable mixture table table to be used with a throttle position sensor(TPS) which is simply a potentiometer.   So simply mount a potentiometer, tell the fueltech it is a TPS, and adjust the TPS mixture adjustment map to your liking.  There you have a manual mixture knob.

 

In fact, the EC-2's Control board returns the voltage of its 5K ohm potentiometer so I hope to simply use that one which is already mounted.

 

It is also possible to use the micro switches in the EC2's control module to activate almost anything you want through the fueltech.

 

Dave Leonard

 

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 2:53 PM 12348ung@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Jeff,
               Yes it does and also mandatory is a throttle position sensor.
But no it does not have a manual mixture knob.  For that reason if needed
thew only current answer is the SDS. 
Neil.

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From: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 10:47 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Fuel Tech

Hi Neil, does the Fuel Tech allow for open-loop operation like the EC2?
Does it also work without a Mass Airflow Sensor like the EC2?   Jeff
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