X-CGP-ClamAV-Result: CLEAN X-VirusScanner: Niversoft's CGPClamav Helper v1.23.0 (ClamAV engine v0.103.0) X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-KAS-Score: 0 [] From: " 12348ung@gmail.com" Received: from mail-pj1-f51.google.com ([209.85.216.51] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.3.5) with ESMTPS id 162268 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 25 Jul 2021 17:27:18 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.216.51; envelope-from=12348ung@gmail.com Received: by mail-pj1-f51.google.com with SMTP id p5-20020a17090a8685b029015d1a9a6f1aso11313503pjn.1 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 2021 14:27:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :thread-index:content-language; bh=AW0lg713iYbZUIYt1WAr6UBXuBDNXswEOxEIxgHjoHk=; b=kQxzug62RYzWYyaEdgfRhGhNv8ikRsesza5+65hRPzic4ClVxdvYzFeFbBvIIL6Cnv aodJhAthfn1I3MdfFj/jR371+oKdClLQtnG9A7uONmSIRso8ZY+snIM2AaKWBh00lL67 fqBxjP1oThTYj2rVRABxjBmVOlMO99M6kBsVL8Dvvyapo3znKLVpr25rk0GPLwO1Uyn/ YGzwxE8DM8xIr4azrKZnTN7bg6scDNQO1PMtNFk6TG2NI0oWoTVn/uCl6giAxsKL0Uuf 3BXtNLgivfY5mYEe7EQ8Lhhfd5ITi1CgrxpWVggrYd2373ZyoOkrv/ynUE/pu8lJJUr7 hY4Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:thread-index:content-language; bh=AW0lg713iYbZUIYt1WAr6UBXuBDNXswEOxEIxgHjoHk=; b=FEBuQOunXE/+f+ASMCcw/Imcq2gWotUn13Qf1g8hxcQp5FxfjIF+GJ81D1dSg4a4gV lmn53iT5sBODYqSlmvdcL+WO50uYlFtVj6dpHFmFYpqIqYbNYHRmqV3DSRLG1dJnCeSp uyVg195YZDsCX03Y/uKpkanBLMh6tEVJaDKdFU3g8WKXXRTFzGTHKG1psV3/fjnHCl9l +rvgMywm2+0o/FJapMDBueOi/Ewxw0TAnlW62PDRc3oDatefHkiRiWU5pzYWHW6k+b/U CaD06y/tBByuJdAcXcXTKAAU0I7/Y2rCSA9uOplBQa/UlN288llJGU+ikkxCgS2nZSTN /jHg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531hx39B2jULARYySmNNVosOTCmb8d8VBTMvEfwnit/cFQwd/dze YRAJRMittHDp71LpUp40bTOQoyXjFjI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzkq65qHXwrYNRKocUsL9Xw/UgIeyfwCAiVyysy72+smLWvxPM9mXlp73wa9dwpOPNCgqzvZg== X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:8404:: with SMTP id j4mr23469736pjn.66.1627248420966; Sun, 25 Jul 2021 14:27:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <12348ung@gmail.com> Received: from UserPC ([103.198.24.78]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id fz10sm4886353pjb.40.2021.07.25.14.26.59 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 25 Jul 2021 14:27:00 -0700 (PDT) To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] EC-2 system, move to Fueltech? Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 07:26:57 +1000 Message-ID: <001201d7819b$cda18e70$68e4ab50$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01D781EF.9F4D9E70" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQGGOaSFehtYixcKRSECp0qm7o2yIKv2wwVw Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01D781EF.9F4D9E70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave, Have been running the fueltech for some time now and = cannot fault it. Just putting my motor back finally with the turbo = attached. Cowl a =C2=BD inch too narrow, so back to fibreglassing and = reconnecting everything in between the day jobs. =20 Have a great support bloke here that is just a phone call away which is = an enormous help. Neil. =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft =20 Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 3:04 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] EC-2 system, move to Fueltech? =20 Hi Dennis, =20 Such a hard time tracking down those things. BTW, do you happen to = know the voltage that the EC2 feeds the PCM? 5v or 12? =20 Soneone mentioned that he was using the Fueltech so I looked into it and = bought one, mostly because it is a lot more flexible than the EC2 to = help troubleshoot issues. It also doubles as an expansive and flexible = engine monitor. For $1500 it duplicates the functions of the EC2 and = provides a completely flexible engine monitor that can use virtually any = automotive or aircraft sensors and also control things such as fuel = pumps, aux fans, wastegates, cowl flap motors... whatever you can dream = up. The display is small but configurable and it is also to build = multiple units on a CAN bus to provide redundantcy and additional = screens. Plug into your PC to upload and download engine data and = mixture maps. =20 I dont have it running yet, but I mad a harness addaaptor to keep all my = previous EC2 wiring. =20 =20 Will let the group know when I get it working and provide a full report. = In the meantime it is something to look into. =20 Dave Leonard =20 On Sat, Jul 24, 2021, 2:34 PM Dennis Haverlah clouduster@austin.rr.com = > wrote: Bobby Hughes recently posted information on how I thought I had = corrupted the EC-2 in my RV-7A. All I tried to do was use mode 4 to = balance the front rotor ECT to match the rear rotor ECT!! Bobby and I = worked together to test the unit in the plane for over 5 hours last = week! Thank You Bobby!!=20 We were able to change or reset some programmable values but when we = started the engine and tried to adjust anything the system was = uncontrollable! Bobby =E2=80=93 with my encouragement - removed the = EC-2 circuit board and we visually inspected it =E2=80=93 all looked = fine. The next day I removed the EC-2 (EPB?) engine program board. I = found the MODE selection micro switch has one side of the switch = unsealed. We than suspected the switch may be at fault. Static = testing of the switch with an ohm meter showed it worked fine.=20 A picture of the failed Mode switch: =20 Bobby graciously loaned me his EC-2 EPB board to try .=20 I installed Bobby=E2=80=99s EPB and the problem has never showed up = again. =20 We reset all engine parameters to factory settings and the engine ran = OK. We went through the normal routine of adjusting engine fuel flow = and I reentered my latest copy of the Mixture Control Table. Now the = engine is running fine and I have flown it. I will be fine tuning the = MCT some. During this process the EC-2 programing worked perfectly.=20 We have received several GREAT Emails concerning reprogramming the EC-2 = computer chips and we are working to get the equipment to copy the EC-2 = software and than dump it into new EC-2 chips. Other great info. sent to = us included instructions on excessing and reading the Hex Values of the = engine operating settings =E2=80=93 fuel flow, timing, staging point = etc. using the EM-2. This allowed us to take pictures of the table = =E2=80=93 make changes =E2=80=93 and see the values changed.=20 After this experience, I would like to find a replacement for my EPB. = If I am unsuccessful, I will try to replace all the mechanical = components =E2=80=93 switches and veriable resistance pots. Not easy for = me to do! I also would be interested in getting a spare LARGE BOX (6 = =C2=BC INCH SQUARE BOX ) EC-2 that Tracy set up for LS-1 and Mazda RX-8 = coils as a spare. If someone has one of these they will not be using I = would be interested in purchasing it as well as an EM-2.=20 I currently have access to a large box 3 rotor EC-2 we may be able to = reprogram and convert to a 2 rotor model. Dennis Haverlah=20 RV-7A=20 900 hrs on Renesis RX 8, 4 port engine=20 Tracy=E2=80=99s gear box RD1 =E2=80=93 C, EC =E2=80=93 2 and EM -2 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01D781EF.9F4D9E70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dave,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Have been running the = fueltech for some time now and cannot fault it.=C2=A0 Just putting my = motor back finally with the turbo attached.=C2=A0 Cowl a =C2=BD inch too = narrow, so back to fibreglassing and reconnecting everything in between = the day jobs.=C2=A0=C2=A0

Have a great support bloke here = that is just a phone call away which is an enormous = help.

Neil.

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Monday, July 26, = 2021 3:04 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [FlyRotary] EC-2 = system, move to Fueltech?

 

Hi = Dennis,

 

Such a hard time tracking down those things.  =  BTW, do you happen to know the voltage that the EC2 feeds the = PCM?  5v or 12?

 

Soneone mentioned that he was using the Fueltech so I = looked into it and bought one, mostly because it is a lot more flexible = than the EC2 to help troubleshoot issues.  It also doubles as an = expansive and flexible engine monitor.   For $1500 it = duplicates the functions of the EC2 and provides a completely flexible = engine monitor that can use virtually any automotive or aircraft sensors = and also control things such as fuel pumps, aux fans, wastegates, cowl = flap motors...  whatever you can dream up.  The display is = small but configurable and it is also to build multiple units on a CAN = bus to provide redundantcy and additional screens.  Plug into your = PC to upload and download engine data and mixture = maps.

 

I = dont have it running yet, but I mad a harness addaaptor to keep all my = previous EC2 wiring.  

 

Will let the group know when I get it working and = provide a full report.  In the meantime it is something to look = into.

 

Dave Leonard

 

On = Sat, Jul 24, 2021, 2:34 PM Dennis Haverlah clouduster@austin.rr.com = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Bobby Hughes recently posted information on how I = thought I had corrupted the EC-2 in my RV-7A. All I tried to do was use = mode 4 to balance the front rotor ECT to match the rear rotor ECT!! = Bobby and I worked together to test the unit in the plane for over 5 = hours last week! Thank You Bobby!!

We were = able to change or reset some programmable values but when we started the = engine and tried to adjust anything the system was uncontrollable! =   Bobby =E2=80=93 with my encouragement  - removed the = EC-2 circuit board and we visually inspected it =E2=80=93 all looked = fine. The next day I removed the EC-2 (EPB?) engine program board.  = I found the MODE selection micro switch has one side of the = switch unsealed.   We than suspected the switch may be at = fault.  Static testing of the switch with an ohm meter showed it = worked fine.

A picture = of the failed Mode switch:

3Dswitch

 <= /o:p>

Bobby = graciously loaned me his EC-2 EPB board to try . 

 = I installed Bobby=E2=80=99s EPB and the problem has never showed up = again. 

 We = reset all engine parameters to factory settings and the engine ran = OK.   We went through the normal routine of adjusting engine = fuel flow and I reentered my latest copy of the Mixture  Control = Table.   Now the engine is running fine and I have flown = it.  I will be fine tuning the MCT some.  During this process = the EC-2 programing worked perfectly.

 We = have received several GREAT Emails concerning reprogramming the EC-2 = computer chips and we are working to get the equipment to copy the EC-2 = software and than dump it into new EC-2 chips. Other great info. sent to = us included instructions on excessing and reading the Hex Values of = the engine operating settings =E2=80=93 fuel flow, timing, staging point = etc. using  the EM-2.  This allowed us to take pictures of the = table =E2=80=93 make changes =E2=80=93 and see the values changed. =

 After = this experience, I would like to find a replacement for my EPB.  If = I am unsuccessful, I will try to replace all the mechanical = components =E2=80=93 switches and veriable resistance pots. Not easy for = me to do!   I also would be interested in  getting a = spare LARGE BOX (6 =C2=BC INCH SQUARE BOX ) EC-2  that Tracy set up = for LS-1 and Mazda RX-8 coils as a spare.  If someone has one of = these they will not be using I would be interested in purchasing it as = well as an EM-2.

I currently = have access to a large box 3 rotor EC-2 we may be able to reprogram and = convert to a 2 rotor model.

 Dennis= Haverlah

 RV-7A =

900 hrs on = Renesis RX 8, 4 port engine

Tracy=E2=80=99= s gear box  RD1 =E2=80=93 C, EC =E2=80=93 2 and EM = -2

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