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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bobby, If you haven=E2=80=99t already, consider reversing the chips on the board an= d then copying A (originally B) to B (originally A). This might restore all= programmable parameters to the malfunctioning chip. I don=E2=80=99t know i= f that would be a risk for corrupting the good chip but that seems unlikely.= I=E2=80=99ve done this to enable reading parameters from the originally B c= hip. Steve Boese > On Jul 12, 2021, at 10:02 AM, Bobby Hughes BHughes@qnsinc.net wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > =E2=97=86 This message was sent from a non-UWYO address. Please exercise c= aution when clicking links or opening attachments from external sources. >=20 > Thanks Finn. We will explore this as a possible solution. Also the duplic= ation service. > =20 > Another question. How to tell if the controller is truly corrupt? When Den= nis started the engine in Mode 4 he hit the store button 2-3 times for primi= ng. I=E2=80=99m wondering if Mode 4 has another function when the engine is n= ot running? > =20 > Bobby > =20 > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20 > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 9:31 AM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: QNF Chip Programmer > =20 > I think I paid less than $20 for my PICKKIT3 (clone, I guess). > You may get away with programming it in-circuit (you'll have to power the E= C2 board) if the board has the 5 or 6 header pins. >=20 > I put an PLCC68 socket on a piece of prototyping PCB with 6 pins for the P= ICKIT3 connector. > All ground and supply pins have to be connected. >=20 > Search for and download PIC18F6680ProgrammingSpecs.pdf >=20 > =20 > >=20 > Finn >=20 > On 7/11/2021 10:15 PM, Bobby Hughes BHughes@qnsinc.net wrote: > Finn / Tracy > =20 > We think Dennis H. has a corrupt A controller chip. He inadvertently start= ed the engine in Mode 4 and things went bad. The B controller is running nor= mally so we have a good chip to work with. This is one of the early big box E= C2=E2=80=99s. Dennis and I worked a few hours trying to tune the A controlle= r. We reset Modes 1,3,4,6,8.multiple times. Mode 2 is to copy A to B and I d= on=E2=80=99t think Mode 5 and 7 are used according to the book. There may be= an issues with the Programming Head. Sometimes we did managed to keep the e= ngine running with the manual mixture control. We noticed changes to the eng= ine while cycling through the program modes. On one attempt we managed to ge= t Mode 3 adjusted at 19=E2=80=9D MP. We were then able to make adjustments i= n Mode 1 up until about 24=E2=80=9D MP and the engine just stopped. We resta= rted the engine and we could not keep it running or make any Mode 1 adjustme= nt that helped. . > =20 > We pulled the EC2 and Program Head for inspection. The Mode switch is a li= ttle sticky so we will use mine to on the next attempt. So any advice were t= o get a reasonable priced compatible 64-pin QFN programmer? Dennis=E2=80=99s= grandson will be the one copying the chip and said Microchip=E2=80=99s prog= rammer was about $400. We are looking for chips and may have located some a= t Microchip direct. =20 > =20 > PN: PIC 18F6680 =E2=80=93I/L=20 > =20 > =20 > https://www.microchipdirect.com/product/PIC18LF6680-I/L?dfw_tracker=3D6419= 7-PIC18LF6680-I%2FL&gclid=3DEAIaIQobChMIpe6Ny7fc8QIViwytBh0JDwLZEAQYASABEgJr= ufD_BwE > =20 > =20 > Thanks, > =20 > Bobby J Hughes > =20 > =20 >=20 > Disclaimer >=20 > The information contained in this communication from the sender is confide= ntial. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized t= o receive it. 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Bobby,

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If you haven=E2=80=99t already, consider reversing th= e chips on the board and then copying A (originally B) to B (originally A).=  This might restore all programmable parameters to the malfunctioning= chip.  I don=E2=80=99t know if that would be a risk for corrupting th= e good chip but that seems unlikely.  I=E2=80=99ve done this to enable= reading parameters from the originally B chip.

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Steve Boese

On Jul 12, 2021, at 10:02 AM, Bobby Hughes BHughes@qnsinc.net &l= t;flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

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Thanks Finn. We will &= nbsp;explore this as a possible solution. Also the duplication service.

 

Another question. How = to tell if the controller is truly corrupt? When Dennis started the engine = in Mode 4 he hit the store button 2-3 times for priming. I=E2=80=99m wonder= ing if Mode 4 has another function when the engine is not running?

 

Bobby

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lanca= ironline.net]
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 9:31 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: QNF Chip Programmer

 

I think I paid less than $20 for my PICKKIT3 (clone,= I guess).
You may get away with programming it in-circuit (you'll have to power the E= C2 board) if the board has the 5 or 6 header pins.

I put an PLCC68 socket on a piece of prototyping PCB with 6 pins for the PI= CKIT3 connector.
All ground and supply pins have to be connected.

Search for and download PIC18F6680ProgrammingSpecs.pdf

 

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Finn

On 7/11/2021 10:15 PM, Bobby Hughes B= Hughes@qnsinc.net wrote:

Finn / Tracy

 

We think Dennis H. has a corrupt A controller chip. = He inadvertently started the engine in Mode 4 and things went bad. The B co= ntroller is running normally so we have a good chip to work with. This is o= ne of the early big box EC2=E2=80=99s. Dennis and I worked a few hours trying to tun= e the A controller. We reset Modes 1,3,4,6,8.multiple times.  Mode 2 i= s to copy A to B and I don=E2=80=99t think Mode 5 and 7 are used according = to the book. There may be an issues with the Programming Head. Sometimes we did managed to keep the engine running with the manual = mixture control. We noticed changes to the engine while cycling through the= program modes. On one attempt we managed to get Mode 3 adjusted at 19=E2= =80=9D MP. We were then able to make adjustments in Mode 1 up until about 24=E2=80=9D MP and the engine just stopped. We re= started the engine and we could not keep it running or make any Mode 1 adju= stment that helped. .

 

We pulled the EC2 and Program Head for inspection. T= he Mode switch is a little sticky so we will use mine to on the next attemp= t. So any advice were to get a reasonable priced compatible 64-pin QFN prog= rammer? Dennis=E2=80=99s grandson will be the one copying the chip and said Microchip=E2=80=99s programmer was about= $400.  We are looking for chips and may have located some at Microchi= p direct.   

 

PN: PIC 18F6680 =E2=80=93I/L 

 

 

https://www.microchipdirect.= com/product/PIC18LF6680-I/L?dfw_tracker=3D64197-PIC18LF6680-I%2FL&gclid= =3DEAIaIQobChMIpe6Ny7fc8QIViwytBh0JDwLZEAQYASABEgJrufD_BwE

 

 

Thanks,

 

Bobby J Hughes

 

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