Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #66826
From: Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] PSRU oil pressure
Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 12:13:07 +0800
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Thanks Steve B.

Did the two drains of Tracy’s drive need to be enlarged in order to upgrade to your recommended line size or are they already large enough and require only larger fittings?
My drain lines are rubber and I thought I might replace them during some maintenance, and then add the breather when I next need to pull the drive.

Thanks.

Steve Izett

On 24 May 2021, at 9:21 am, Steven W. Boese SBoese@uwyo.edu <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

I enlarged the drain and installed a vent to try to address both heat generation and internal pressurization.  This greatly reduced the internal pressure but no measurable decrease in heat generation was observed.

Steve Boese

On May 23, 2021, at 6:24 PM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

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Hi Matt 

I wouldn’t imagine pressure is a contributing factor, however the quantity of oil and churning losses generates heat.
I found this study - "Experimental Investigations on Churning Power Losses Generated in a Planetary Gear Set" https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321990749_Experimental_Investigations_on_Churning_Power_Losses_Generated_in_a_Planetary_Gear_Set
This study references the following further studies below:
Is there SIGNIFICANT power loss or heat generation that can be easily rectified by enlarging the drain and adding a breather?
Could someone read summarise and present a conclusion 😀

I’m guessing Steve B has already done this work.
Steve, were you interested in losses and heat generation, or seal problems associated with pressurisation, or both?

Cheers

Steve Izett

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