Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #66677
From: Kelly Troyer keltro@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: MISTRAL
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 20:59:15 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Lee,
      I ask because I recently became the proud owner of the final iteration (Designed to be certified)  "Mistral G200-C1B" 200hp
Rotary engine  and I am just curious as to what apex seals they used in them........Since "Mistral" seems to be out of business I
do not know where to get information (I have heard that the Chinese bought them out)..............I do not need apex seals as the 
engine only has about 10 flying hours on it.............. 

Thanks,
Kelly Troyer

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 6:01 PM lehanover lehanover@aol.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
I did not. I was asked to travel about inspecting installations prior to first flight, or to assist with installations.
But  if asked I would have suggested Ceramic  seals. 
 
We raced with Carbon seals and later, Ceramic seals. Carbons wear too fast for aircraft use but are soft and leave the housing chrome looking better than new as the years go by. No detectable wear at all. Near perfect sealing.  No skipping, no need for an extra spring.
Same for Ceramics. Light weight. No wear. Very expensive. But if you can use the same housings for 4 or 5 years, then not so bad.  The duty cycle of an aircraft engine is much tougher than that of a racer or street engine.  
All early engines Had the wide carbon seals. We machined them down to fit the later rotors. So early housings would often run well over 100,000 miles.  The iron seals with a chrome face have you running a chrome face against a chrome housing. Bad Mojo. With Premixing and or oil injection not so bad. Hard starting suggests 
worn apex seals.  Both ceramic and carbon seals need to be sized to the housing width.
Any question, any time. 
Lynn E. Hanover 
 
 message dated 3/14/2021 11:29:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes:
 
Lee Hanover,
    I seem to remember that you had some interaction back in the day with "MISTRAL" when they were developing their
Rotary engines .........If so did you ever hear what tip seals they used in their engines ? (Iron , Ceramic , Etc)...........
 
Thanks,
--
Kelly Troyer





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