Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #66375
From: Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] RWS EC backup crank sensor
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2020 06:24:01 +0800
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Hi Finn

Concur with your thinking and understanding.
It was a fixed code option for an earlier code version of the EC2 that you requested from Tracy.
I did begin years ago to read the assembler code and gave up. My knowledge of the coding is just not high enough.
So I’m in the dark when it comes to whats actually happening with my current code and BUSENSOR. Its all there in hardware from engine to EC2 processors but in the code?

Cheers

Steve



> On 8 Oct 2020, at 1:24 am, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>
> Yes, that does appear to be a software option. But maybe not for all engine types.  
>
> Looking at the A8 engine type (Renesis) EC3 manual, Mode 5 is used to chose narrowband or wideband O2 sensor. In program it appears to set/reset BUSENSOR bit, but I guess only for engine types that support it of which A8 doesn't. :(
>
> Steve, do you use Mode 5 to toggle BUSENSOR on the EC2?
>
> Hardware is definitely there. J2 pin 6. Both controllers do have inputs for both primary and backup CAS sensors.
>  (Sensor as to be mounted 90 degrees before primary CAS -- some say 180 degrees -- actually depends on engine type.)
>
> But I'm very unclear on how the software works. Hope to ask Tracy when he's back.
>
> If the primary pickup has failed when starting, how would the software know that and use the backup?
>
> Unless the B controller always use the backup sensor (when the BUSENSOR software option is enabled). This is what I see from looking at the program.
>  
> If would appear that to make backup sensor work for EC3 and Renesis some program changes need to be made. Perhaps Mode 4 to set/reset the option -- if you'll want it to be user selectable.
>
> Unfortunate above my knowledge of the EC3 software at this point.
>
> Finn
>
> On 10/7/2020 12:38 PM, argoldman@aol.com wrote:
>> Does the ec-3 have the capability for additional sensor?
>>
>> thanks Rich
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
>> To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
>> Sent: Sun, Oct 4, 2020 5:29 pm
>> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: RWS EC backup crank sensor
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I’m pretty sure I programmed my EC2 for and had the backup sensor functioning but it was years ago and I know with my current setup the backup sensor is disconnected.
>> The backup sensor in 90deg out of phase. So looking at the front of the engine its at ~3 o’clock as Dave says.
>>
>> Note:
>> We had an all electronic ignition Glasair 3 IO470 go down due to a belt failure taking out the electronic ignition CAS.
>> I put a stainless steel wire in the harness of the CAS’s to protect against this single point of failure.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Steve Izett
>>
>> > On 5 Oct 2020, at 4:45 am, DAVID BARKER david_barker@msn.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Finn,
>> > Sensor at 6:00 0’clock is primary. Sensor at 3 o’clock is backup.
>> > If you cannot locate appropriate software, I can reconfigure the sensor physical locations if necessary.
>> > Dave Barker
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPad
>> >
>> >> On Oct 4, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 
>> >> Thanks Bobby
>> >>
>> >> In some of the manuals I've see 90 degrees before the primary, but in the code I looked at I think it mentioned 180 degrees.
>> >>
>> >> So, I'll have to look further. It sure will be interesting to find out how it determines if primary sensor has failed. Wonder what happens when  backup sensor fails and primary is OK. With no other inputs, I don't see how it can work.
>> >>
>> >> Finn
>> >>
>> >> On 10/4/2020 3:20 PM, Bobby J. Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net wrote:
>> >>> Finn,
>> >>>
>> >>> Both processors see both signals on pins 36&37.  I think the second sensor must be mounted 180 degrees opposite the main.
>> >>>
>> >>> Bobby
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from my iPad
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Oct 4, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Does anyone have an RWS EC running with backup sensor?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Yesterday I briefly looked at the EC code (program) and it appears that
>> >>>> when you have a backup sensor controller A uses main sensor and
>> >>>> controller B uses the backup sensor; is that correct?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Or is there some automatic detection of main sensor failure that causes
>> >>>> a switch-over to the backup sensor for both A and B, that I missed?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Finn
>> >>>>
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