X-CGP-ClamAV-Result: CLEAN X-VirusScanner: Niversoft's CGPClamav Helper v1.23.0 (ClamAV engine v0.103.0) From: "Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net" Received: from sonic307-9.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([66.163.190.32] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.14) with ESMTPS id 814442 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 07 Oct 2020 13:24:54 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.163.190.32; envelope-from=finn.lassen@verizon.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=verizon.net; s=a2048; t=1602091477; bh=0ETAqhGoU07DTP4lumedcdGxQ8+rVsanCcXqMJae0xU=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=oHtTzFN3+VbKwAxQBGmyU2tg8tBIEmSi0Q5+zXNoCGRarD/53v+5eh4Pioj1nKrBlIVkn2T3NpExZPFR2HW/Qajg4uv/PmSxnbVZYwemoyi0cpohfm0L7fw5Igm1KHu3NbgMKvhDfrABjyUk3Tm1pKmYor8jumLcNKOUG5518CR590WgPIQsT884WLgcPBC5TXd2ABV1f3L25Jq6zZM/6MoCq4P9W+uXMhO9koBPKoRIaO2fzN23qxmzeBak6czJXgGWcQg21ATqezpnGZGuZmxD7BflKz0cDUNk+fxgR1db/r5XDvF7EO/18MFjvBPTpesBO0CT0QBsyhmEwETpEA== X-YMail-OSG: tGV4EI8VM1lNIAAQNMRkzhlILJQ5g0BqW9lB4BedFJpfLuFkQ7eSfU.uHDpsxgh 3hJ4M7DRJRrHXDUz_UG7b99ebDmz70u6bhJMfklLx_a7.psAnmrbbjSdubrPxSb8a1kXDdLBQQQ1 7AjkAecioEnC6p579pyfIiV0vFCIXjvZgIxpVYsRq2rVLrVUJz.70I7ZQIidSIlWcUTLCbpqYfr_ scT12j_qQqu8WXkLX3AvAVowgg_0Jxadin4VD80XXp9FHsAMY4MPhhsh4uslW_Xk_ig64YdA7EkX nPU2Hf6JxVX7UG..cGuSeNnJXyijwi9QczJ3NKbnSiYAb0zkvhj9J6FoJD.iwciWKJfXPaXClZcA fBoIJJcclOLOE1YvKLzDVQtUGfTsMhpuohrEPHndOGZPI09hHwsWOi5UY9suYWs6CCSLce9xKNw9 iVmh1BTvngBnesIXvEk3nzT8ZBV0fo2IvQN6jNcB9bwGTyLbQxB1_xY5Lwn0l41GW6oVbX5KXOjM ZKRA0sr2iSfgR1Wr0X4WuW2vVOnouK09uBHxx5dTT.qYzmng_FvSRQ6ZKg9mBneyhOj_Wd0CBcO. ruAKzN5ZCo_3MvG5krBTWJ3FfGwN9B0.13RT3ZfAPbmMNQNA36q6H87hJaX5opmE6R1vAuSDsd6c 59WkcGISTp7I_qXIZU3pDDGWD9UHn9MbIZJ1ZgIpffCowxqTfBvAKVF2Xk.mdH3CMjNT9pWIrpkY 0DzxbA5smroZHcP62qHpVpAY39p305.TXlZjhqqWgp7Qkq60ceFUdh1687sFCu1UcTENGr3wSbh. cXGaUWNsmte8jdPUCaFvXQYORKjamHdPBJqDrbuY40Y0Xm6r.IUU9Gu6_HcJAMahZtZJxcyWZwPp RqTpEjzTVG7wd9pZ326gTF_z9BcppVQEdTsVOPTaug3EkFMvBrIWrlSD5_Ehp__43BgFy9fxK7i9 L8_P1O24w1EFlsBlAyYoU1t8ZvtnLsdvctTtOf.g9Yfawd.nWztvYbw6RLtTosaCn9SJf4tou369 Y.HNGBvgzzGZSTDu3W2UZR5KtcC2u81y3ajrmwzZ3LdLQ4z_paFREYZ0PpnyW9G4NnVhXiVWPG3s BVwoLp49dkhEl_M3JJAYWXsvzlG6iRkYEN8ziKcsa_sH_37.hwXFcWe1ebLUgrsw6pmqWj806Lod Ci3LbRcCRy6dw5ncETP1I7zAKxp8gRMtry0OgfNo9lo.fGX3CeKW5lCKfZtwY3JNM9c1QF4fZ6zu rUDXNPx5puqxBk754xEamyq7ochmedbC2gYvm0_Lh2YTbZzA_r5MhL_.NnYEIhBO8qxM3dk2P1rV S1F8mfPBax1inXTDwDO7a3jSx3nAybCnyIW4ypPu1JrvFrH0v86yergOsrDCceMdXQLTkKwUmvqL YIwkbTX3kgJsBkxZErHk3G276ibgTGXM6zErqrolsBLvmi1ol.dHfDJ3SkmmU3JJUDf1M.0yMupi DJtPTYlwIYcN8spoJEY8MzLN7sgKtMm5szvS6vuRFk688p2OYDipOZrr.CE0_npOZF72QBuCjf19 wGa3wMtjYHc6UB4kRBk1rxw-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic307.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Wed, 7 Oct 2020 17:24:37 +0000 Received: by smtp421.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 1d725fae5b4527592bb3f07220e7d2d0; Wed, 07 Oct 2020 17:24:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: RWS EC backup crank sensor To: Rotary motors in aircraft References: Message-ID: <6a9d7795-45de-bc6f-a89c-fed15aff98fd@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 13:24:33 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------129D36E5CE942EEC238F0341" Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 201007-6, 10/07/2020), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.16795 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.aol Apache-HttpAsyncClient/4.1.4 (Java/11.0.7) Content-Length: 20095 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------129D36E5CE942EEC238F0341 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yes, that does appear to be a software option. But maybe not for all engine types. Looking at the A8 engine type (Renesis) EC3 manual, Mode 5 is used to chose narrowband or wideband O2 sensor. In program it appears to set/reset BUSENSOR bit, but I guess only for engine types that support it of which A8 doesn't. :( Steve, do you use Mode 5 to toggle BUSENSOR on the EC2? Hardware is definitely there. J2 pin 6. Both controllers do have inputs for both primary and backup CAS sensors.  (Sensor as to be mounted 90 degrees before primary CAS -- some say 180 degrees -- actually depends on engine type.) But I'm very unclear on how the software works. Hope to ask Tracy when he's back. If the primary pickup has failed when starting, how would the software know that and use the backup? Unless the B controller always use the backup sensor (when the BUSENSOR software option is enabled). This is what I see from looking at the program. If would appear that to make backup sensor work for EC3 and Renesis some program changes need to be made. Perhaps Mode 4 to set/reset the option -- if you'll want it to be user selectable. Unfortunate above my knowledge of the EC3 software at this point. Finn On 10/7/2020 12:38 PM, argoldman@aol.com wrote: > Does the ec-3 have the capability for additional sensor? > > thanks Rich > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Sent: Sun, Oct 4, 2020 5:29 pm > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: RWS EC backup crank sensor > > Hi all > > I’m pretty sure I programmed my EC2 for and had the backup sensor > functioning but it was years ago and I know with my current setup the > backup sensor is disconnected. > The backup sensor in 90deg out of phase. So looking at the front of > the engine its at ~3 o’clock as Dave says. > > Note: > We had an all electronic ignition Glasair 3 IO470 go down due to a > belt failure taking out the electronic ignition CAS. > I put a stainless steel wire in the harness of the CAS’s to protect > against this single point of failure. > > Cheers > Steve Izett > > > On 5 Oct 2020, at 4:45 am, DAVID BARKER david_barker@msn.com > > wrote: > > > > Dear Finn, > > Sensor at 6:00 0’clock is primary. Sensor at 3 o’clock is backup. > > If you cannot locate appropriate software, I can reconfigure the > sensor physical locations if necessary. > > Dave Barker > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > >> On Oct 4, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net > > wrote: > >> > >>  > >> Thanks Bobby > >> > >> In some of the manuals I've see 90 degrees before the primary, but > in the code I looked at I think it mentioned 180 degrees. > >> > >> So, I'll have to look further. It sure will be interesting to find > out how it determines if primary sensor has failed. Wonder what > happens when backup sensor fails and primary is OK. With no other > inputs, I don't see how it can work. > >> > >> Finn > >> > >> On 10/4/2020 3:20 PM, Bobby J. Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net > wrote: > >>> Finn, > >>> > >>> Both processors see both signals on pins 36&37.  I think the > second sensor must be mounted 180 degrees opposite the main. > >>> > >>> Bobby > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPad > >>> > >>>> On Oct 4, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net > > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Does anyone have an RWS EC running with backup sensor? > >>>> > >>>> Yesterday I briefly looked at the EC code (program) and it > appears that > >>>> when you have a backup sensor controller A uses main sensor and > >>>> controller B uses the backup sensor; is that correct? > >>>> > >>>> Or is there some automatic detection of main sensor failure that > causes > >>>> a switch-over to the backup sensor for both A and B, that I missed? > >>>> > >>>> Finn > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> --- > >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >>>> Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > >>> > >>> > >>> Disclaimer > >>> > >>> The information contained in this communication from the sender is > confidential. 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Yes, that does appear to be a software option. But maybe not for all engine types. 

Looking at the A8 engine type (Renesis) EC3 manual, Mode 5 is used to chose narrowband or wideband O2 sensor. In program it appears to set/reset BUSENSOR bit, but I guess only for engine types that support it of which A8 doesn't. :(

Steve, do you use Mode 5 to toggle BUSENSOR on the EC2?

Hardware is definitely there. J2 pin 6. Both controllers do have inputs for both primary and backup CAS sensors.
 (Sensor as to be mounted 90 degrees before primary CAS -- some say 180 degrees -- actually depends on engine type.)

But I'm very unclear on how the software works. Hope to ask Tracy when he's back.

If the primary pickup has failed when starting, how would the software know that and use the backup?

Unless the B controller always use the backup sensor (when the BUSENSOR software option is enabled). This is what I see from looking at the program.
 
If would appear that to make backup sensor work for EC3 and Renesis some program changes need to be made. Perhaps Mode 4 to set/reset the option -- if you'll want it to be user selectable.

Unfortunate above my knowledge of the EC3 software at this point.

Finn

On 10/7/2020 12:38 PM, argoldman@aol.com wrote:
Does the ec-3 have the capability for additional sensor?

thanks Rich


-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sun, Oct 4, 2020 5:29 pm
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: RWS EC backup crank sensor

Hi all

I’m pretty sure I programmed my EC2 for and had the backup sensor functioning but it was years ago and I know with my current setup the backup sensor is disconnected.
The backup sensor in 90deg out of phase. So looking at the front of the engine its at ~3 o’clock as Dave says.

Note:
We had an all electronic ignition Glasair 3 IO470 go down due to a belt failure taking out the electronic ignition CAS.
I put a stainless steel wire in the harness of the CAS’s to protect against this single point of failure.

Cheers
Steve Izett

> On 5 Oct 2020, at 4:45 am, DAVID BARKER david_barker@msn.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>
> Dear Finn,
> Sensor at 6:00 0’clock is primary. Sensor at 3 o’clock is backup.
> If you cannot locate appropriate software, I can reconfigure the sensor physical locations if necessary.
> Dave Barker
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Oct 4, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Thanks Bobby
>>
>> In some of the manuals I've see 90 degrees before the primary, but in the code I looked at I think it mentioned 180 degrees.
>>
>> So, I'll have to look further. It sure will be interesting to find out how it determines if primary sensor has failed. Wonder what happens when  backup sensor fails and primary is OK. With no other inputs, I don't see how it can work.
>>
>> Finn
>>
>> On 10/4/2020 3:20 PM, Bobby J. Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net wrote:
>>> Finn,
>>>
>>> Both processors see both signals on pins 36&37.  I think the second sensor must be mounted 180 degrees opposite the main.
>>>
>>> Bobby
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Oct 4, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have an RWS EC running with backup sensor?
>>>>
>>>> Yesterday I briefly looked at the EC code (program) and it appears that
>>>> when you have a backup sensor controller A uses main sensor and
>>>> controller B uses the backup sensor; is that correct?
>>>>
>>>> Or is there some automatic detection of main sensor failure that causes
>>>> a switch-over to the backup sensor for both A and B, that I missed?
>>>>
>>>> Finn
>>>>
>>>>
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