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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 18:56:02 +1000 Message-ID: <001701d67eab$650e6d40$2f2b47c0$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01D67EFF.36BC2AF0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQK6u/ETw1altCAp/PGJLy5wrftFiqeH3rcQ Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01D67EFF.36BC2AF0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0019_01D67EFF.36BC2AF0" ------=_NextPart_001_0019_01D67EFF.36BC2AF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable James, Who in OZ did you buy from? Neil. =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft =20 Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 12:58 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Turbos......... =20 Charlie, my airframe will be : Twin fuselage Amphibian (2p+2s, Tandem = seating), twin pusher (Billet 13b, P-Port), on retractable skis (water = ops), imbedded tires (land ops), carbon fiber(much/most cored sandwich). = Oh yes=E2=80=A6my design! 1=E2=80=9D:12=E2=80=99 scale electric RC = model tested on calm water so far. Starboard half, skeleton full scale = plug on floor now=E2=80=A6 waiting on engines for nacelle shape = integration. They are a year late. Buying from=20 Australia was slow! Hope to use Neil=E2=80=99s 3.12 reduction if it can = be beefed up to hold the HP. Yes it is truly EXPERIMENTAL! -James = whitehurst =20 Sent from Mail for = Windows 10 =20 From: Charlie England ceengland7@gmail.com = =20 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 12:53 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft =20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Turbos........ =20 James,=20 =20 What is your airframe? =20 Charlie =20 = =20 Virus-free. = = www.avast.com=20 =20 On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:40 AM James Whitehurst flyboyusvi@gmail.com = > wrote: ??? Above 10,000 ft? I couldn=E2=80=99t figure out how=E2=80=A6 so I = just received my Borg Warner EFR9280 Turbos with water and oil cooled = ctr aluminum housing. I know its more complex but I figure I=E2=80=99ll = have the HP to 18,000=E2=80=99. Comments enjoyed? James whitehurst =20 Sent from Mail for = Windows 10 =20 From: lehanover lehanover@aol.com =20 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:47 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft =20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Turbos......... =20 As you can see on this dyno sheet much power is available where most = folks like to run aircraft Rotaries. =20 The ports you see in that picture are designed to operate best at 9,400 = RPM, at 250HP, however that is a 12-A engine. 2292 CCs vice 2900 CCs for a 13-B, so more power from a 13-B. So ports = designed for best power at say 5,500 RPM would have a shorter top = (Closing Point) and a smaller bridge opening. I do not let any of the = side seal ends to cross over the port so side seal damage is not a = factor. So very nearly stock service life minus the wear you would = expect from spending hours of operation at full throttle. With synthetic = 2 cycle oil in the fuel and in the sump I suspect (but do not know) = about 500 to 1,000 hours. A hot compression check or a hot leakdown test will tell the tail.........LEH=20 =20 In a message dated 8/28/2020 7:31:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, = flyrotary@lancaironline.net = writes:=20 =20 One word....Turbo normalizing. Ok that's two words, but that's my plan. =20 In your opinion, how reliable is a bridge port engine? At what RPM do = you see the benefits? Les Criscillo Pilot, Brewmaster, Maker From: Rotary motors in aircraft > on behalf of lehanover = lehanover@aol.com = > Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 9:34:07 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Turbos.........=20 =20 We don't need no stinking turbos.....when we can have 250HP bridge = ports...... =20 Lynn E. Hanover =20 =20 = =20 Virus-free. = = www.avast.com=20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0019_01D67EFF.36BC2AF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

James,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Who in OZ did you buy from?=C2=A0 = Neil.

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, = 2020 12:58 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Turbos.........

 

Charlie, my = airframe will be : Twin fuselage Amphibian (2p+2s, Tandem seating), twin = pusher (Billet 13b, P-Port), on retractable skis (water ops), imbedded = tires (land ops), carbon fiber(much/most cored sandwich). Oh = yes=E2=80=A6my design!  1=E2=80=9D:12=E2=80=99 scale electric RC = model tested on calm water so far. Starboard half, skeleton full scale =  plug on floor now=E2=80=A6 waiting on engines for nacelle shape = integration. They are a year late. Buying from

Australia was slow! Hope to use Neil=E2=80=99s 3.12 = reduction if it can be beefed up to hold the HP. Yes it is truly = EXPERIMENTAL! -James whitehurst

 

Sent from Mail for = Windows 10

 

From: Charlie England = ceengland7@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 12:53 = PM
To: Rotary = motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Turbos........

 

James, 

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What  is your = airframe?

 

Charlie

 

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On = Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:40 AM James Whitehurst flyboyusvi@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

??? Above = 10,000 ft? I couldn=E2=80=99t figure out how=E2=80=A6 so I just received = my Borg Warner EFR9280 Turbos with water and oil cooled ctr aluminum = housing. I know its more complex but I figure I=E2=80=99ll have the HP = to 18,000=E2=80=99.   Comments enjoyed?   James = whitehurst

 <= /o:p>

Sent from = Mail for Windows 10

 <= /o:p>

From: = lehanover lehanover@aol.com
Sent: = Friday, August 28, 2020 9:47 AM
To: Rotary = motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Turbos.........

 <= /o:p>

As = you can see on this dyno sheet much power is available where most folks = like to run aircraft Rotaries.

&nb= sp;

The= ports you see in that picture are designed to operate best at 9,400 = RPM, at 250HP, however that is a 12-A = engine.

229= 2 CCs vice 2900 CCs for a 13-B, so more power from a 13-B. So ports = designed for best power at say 5,500 RPM would have a shorter top = (Closing Point) and a smaller bridge opening. I do not let any of the = side seal ends to cross over the port so side seal damage is not a = factor. So very nearly stock service life minus the wear you would = expect from spending hours of operation at full throttle. With synthetic = 2 cycle oil in the fuel and in the sump I suspect (but do not know) = about 500 to 1,000 hours. A hot compression check or a = hot

lea= kdown test will tell the = tail.........LEH 

&nb= sp;

In a = message dated 8/28/2020 7:31:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes: =

 <= /o:p>

One word....Turbo = normalizing. Ok that's two words, but that's my = plan.

 

In your opinion, = how reliable is a bridge port engine? At what RPM do you see the = benefits?

Les = Criscillo

Pilot, Brewmaster, = Maker

From: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> on behalf of = lehanover lehanover@aol.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: = Thursday, August 27, 2020 9:34:07 PM
To: Rotary = motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: = [FlyRotary] Turbos.........

 <= /o:p>

We don't need no stinking turbos.....when we = can have 250HP bridge ports......

&nb= sp;

Lyn= n E. Hanover

 <= /o:p>

 

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