X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=PbaBeRpd c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=aTL5S57ZQgueWqBheg4P7g==:117 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=JZygid9Izu4A:10 a=_RQrkK6FrEwA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=GBZKE_NBAAAA:8 a=ixoFOXnLZoeg8ReV7YMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=-FEs8UIgK8oA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=pBDaqX8WmADdEtKnXIIA:9 a=J-aBypyYFEDAN1JJ:21 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=GyA-uvUxXSCciAkwuKQO:22 a=kZBJ7nflOVY83HLdyZAa:22 a=pHzHmUro8NiASowvMSCR:22 a=6VlIyEUom7LUIeUMNQJH:22 From: "Kelly Troyer keltro@gmail.com" Received: from mail-lj1-f176.google.com ([209.85.208.176] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.14) with ESMTPS id 506056 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 08 Jul 2020 14:05:08 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.208.176; envelope-from=keltro@gmail.com Received: by mail-lj1-f176.google.com with SMTP id q4so19591354lji.2 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2020 11:05:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=rFxGdHxOxWFep09hHtEzSP0qRKGM3eUZ0h+c/GNHyj0=; b=GgPio/xz0/efRxQNqz4uvmL10mgANBs9GgN70C0kApJgVwAu55GVogB/fWrfVR2GwV FztQdkQbjQd6UAPUU75fyJXhDrwo7CmRP6vgZXEKI1WexxRUw+/TRo4fL1l0LPZLwFDk T9xQQFRbU/YqqTogMbSDOgok39WGDT9A+ICo+EKK4NRbghNNTanBnW+x4nLtFHnA9f6/ +Bvo8YYn+EbT4wqjcPmVfKBSNvtk/rl7MtnngVYtqJ04J16mLitrCCqvSEIQh3/obSMD iQJRXQ9zEvp8eobpe2dmTaRLZHcbGtkcPNS10jpwKwIuP14/9rZyTL0yntGAZcAwWdYh fbNQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=rFxGdHxOxWFep09hHtEzSP0qRKGM3eUZ0h+c/GNHyj0=; b=lYhhXywVMFCDr920UOHm5U7CoTHpznzPlHRS0UcVE0mj8P9ejyY44vwvrhYcfjB0qp pP7k956hIBtjWqNHjSjkEMcpISZXjOZjj6OpGPWE/vIq8BIEBVMxJcyXu5kqfRHGhqf9 6tv1a7qboEeLHdF3wOmq+uCy4IXSFPmdN48e4d7ssKF7B9dGq2bl0c607cJxDpYInPLZ eqN/VpzhuFXuLaa8gDRzpaS8E5tMSNS8hBQoxF3GH1F1+O0cuAWYUHP79KmvVFEADGih VB3lS0FDnj1qkYq7QmqAS9hB/aFbAwVQMmp6NLB5ohUEwhv/DEeoF6566X3PISMU9gnR 4fTw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531hlrXmPQzeznsZvX7hivjRImkqgMGRDJz+WzrDxoOQwFNOBDpj /xUuoAWxSYd3f8Ocn2znq+DAzX00h+I4InLVckidKA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxPv1if66+2ZGd+hSK1kGrOrfmr3hzxjOcvEBV1bXb7z0nrVWsMB6TIaHiSEAYZRMwinCUiGrmOz+QBUB0iCdQ= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:8582:: with SMTP id b2mr9866731lji.50.1594231490868; Wed, 08 Jul 2020 11:04:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: CAKEmuZ8zaz9q+8KU2iKnSbX2Az5+xz7JOZKbPObbB4qPNqDHaA@mail.gmail.com In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 13:02:23 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Fwd: Undeliverable mail: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Aviation Specific 13B/20B Mazda Front Side Housing To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b3f8ee05a9f1f125" --000000000000b3f8ee05a9f1f125 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 12:40:28 -0500 Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Aviation Specific 13B/20B Mazda Front Side Housing Bill, Yes we are aware of that problem ...........You are correct that a .500/12.5mm stud kit will be required plus an alloy plate between oil sump and engine........"Mistral" utilized a very rigid alloy oil sump.............We are contemplating extending the lower structure of the O/IO 540 mount forward under the engine for more support......See attached photo......... Best Kelly Troyer On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 12:26 PM Kelly Troyer keltro@gmail.com < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > Mark and All Interested, > > Let me clear up the questions about this side plate > housing.........First it is only the front hsg (firewall side in > a/c)..........All the other cast iron hsgs are available in aluminum from > sources such as "Racing Beat" > in the US and several other suppliers in Canada , Australia & New Zealand > if an all alloy engine is desired.........To answer your question Mark th= is > hsg mimics the last iteration of the "Mistral" engines mount method > but hopefully not as complicated or expensive........Remember "Mistral" > was building engines to be certified and we are "Experimental"...........= .. > > Currently the plan is for the hsg to have intake ports like the > 13B/20B (or no ports if "P" port is desired).........Plan at present is t= o > use the RX-8 , 2004-2008 Renesis front cover and waterpump.........It has > been > ascertained that this front cover will fit in the confines of the O/IO 54= 0 > Lycoming mount ring by removing the alternator mount boss (on top of the > housing) and relocating the alternator..........The oil pump would remain > stock.........The early 13B/20B front covers could be used with only > different bolt spacing on the various covers but the water pump hsgs of t= he > early 13B/20B are problematic..........Mark Steitle of this group adapted > the > RX8 water pump to his 20B by cutting the pump hsg from the RX8 cover and > bolting to his engine..........The Rx8 cover has provision for a stock > crank angle sensor........Hope this answers some of your questions and > I will be happy to answer any others that you may have........... > > On a personal note I think that if there is someone out there with > the drive and financial means that a killer "Sport Class" race plane > utilizing an all alloy , boosted 20B with a realistic 1000 hp available i= s > possible > but it would take dedication and money.........That said for those of us > that do not live at that level a more modest RV10 , Glasair or Lancair wi= th > up to a 300 hp 20B is doable and more important affordable........IMHO > > Best, > Kelly Troyer > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 10:40 AM Marcus Wiese cardmarc@charter.net < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > >> ? The automotive front becomes aircraft rear; Tranny side becomes PSRU, >> so you are right about the starter location, that is on =E2=80=98rear=E2= =80=99 automotive >> housing, my bad. >> I=E2=80=99m guessing oil pump, water pump, alt, crank angle pickup (20b = uses old >> style distributor while 13brew TT uses crank angle sensors), other subtl= e >> changes for brackets, etc? A la Mistral mount? >> M >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jul 8, 2020, at 10:31 AM, Charlie England ceengland7@gmail.com < >> flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: >> >> =EF=BB=BF >> I think he's talking about the other end. >> >> Sent from BlueMail >> On Jul 8, 2020, at 10:04 AM, "Marcus Wiese cardmarc@charter.net" < >> flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: >>> >>> I would be interested in 2 or 3 of them. What =E2=80=98features=E2=80= =99 would it have? >>> Would it use the standard AT bolt pattern for the AT reduction starter, >>> etc? All 20bs were AT, as were many 13b rew TT and Cosmo engines (which= I >>> concentrate on) >>> Marc >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Jul 8, 2020, at 3:17 AM, Kelly Troyer keltro@gmail.com < >>> flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: >>> >>> =EF=BB=BF >>> *I am in contact with a person with the design and manufacturing **capa= bility >>> to produce an **Aviation Specific 13B/20B Mazda Front Side** Housing >>> machined from 7075-T6* *with mount points that **would allow these >>> engines* >>> >>> >>> >>> *to be a bolt in to the engine mount ring (30 degree number 1 Dyna) as >>> used by the "Vans" RV-10 and other aircraft that use the Lycoming O/IO = 540 >>> engine..........This side plate is in the preliminary design stage and = at >>> thispoint I am a go between to see if there would be any interest in th= is >>> product if and when it is * >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *produced...........I personally am interested this side plate........A= s >>> we on this forum know both the 13B / 20B are capable of trulyamazing po= wer >>> levels both naturally aspirated and turbo boosted.........The 20B would >>> make the Van's RV-10 , Glasair 3 or Lancair's that use the Lycoming O/I= O >>> 540 an easy 300+ hp almost bolt in engine...........The "Reno" Sport Cl= ass >>> "Glasairs" and Lancairs" are producing almost 400 mph speeds using dual >>> turbo Lycoming IO-550 engines that are virtual hand grenades pulling ov= er >>> 700 hp...........There are turbo 20B's pulling1200 hp out in the auto >>> racing world with good reliability..........A 20B boosted to 700+ hp is= not >>> even breathing hard.........IMHOWould like to hear what interest there = may >>> be in this product if and when it may be produced............Or any >>> comments pro or con..............* >>> >>> -- >>> Kelly Troyer >>> >>> > > --000000000000b3f8ee05a9f1f125 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Date:=C2=A0Wed, 8 Jul 2020 = 12:40:28 -0500
Subject:=C2=A0Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Aviation Specific 13B/2= 0B Mazda Front Side Housing
Bill,
= =C2=A0 Yes we are aware of that problem=C2=A0...........You=C2=A0are correc= t that a .500/12.5mm stud kit will be required plus an alloy plate between = oil sump and engine........"Mistral" utilized=C2=A0a very
rigid alloy oil sump.............We are contemplating=C2=A0extending the= lower structure of the O/IO 540 mount forward=C2=A0under the engine for mo= re support......See attached photo.........
Best
=C2=A0= Kelly Troyer=C2=A0



<= /div>
On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 12:26 PM Kelly Troyer keltro@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>= wrote:
Mark and All Interested,

=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Let me clear up the questions about this sid= e plate housing.........First it is only the front hsg (firewall side in a/= c)..........All the other cast iron hsgs are available in aluminum from sou= rces such as "Racing Beat"
in the US and several other = suppliers in Canada , Australia & New Zealand if an all alloy engine is= desired.........To answer your question Mark this hsg mimics the last iter= ation of the "Mistral" engines mount method
but hopeful= ly not as complicated or expensive........Remember "Mistral" was = building engines to be certified and we are "Experimental".......= ......

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Currently= =C2=A0the plan is for the hsg to have intake ports like the 13B/20B (or no = ports if "P" port is desired).........Plan at present is to use t= he RX-8 , 2004-2008 Renesis front cover and waterpump.........It has been= =C2=A0
ascertained that this front cover will fit in the confines= of the O/IO 540 Lycoming mount ring by removing the alternator mount boss = (on top of the housing) and relocating the alternator..........The oil pump= would remain=C2=A0
stock.........The early 13B/20B front covers = could be used with only different=C2=A0bolt spacing on the various covers b= ut the water pump=C2=A0hsgs of the early 13B/20B are problematic..........M= ark Steitle of this group adapted the
RX8 water pump=C2=A0to his = 20B by cutting the pump hsg from=C2=A0the RX8 cover and bolting to his engi= ne..........The Rx8 cover has provision for a stock crank angle sensor.....= ...Hope this answers some of your questions and
I will be happy t= o answer any others that you may have...........

= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On a personal note I think that if there is some= one out there with the drive and financial=C2=A0means that a killer "S= port Class" race plane utilizing an all alloy , boosted 20B with a rea= listic 1000 hp available is possible
but it would take dedication= and money.........That said for those of us that do not live at that level= a more modest RV10 , Glasair or Lancair with up to a 300 hp 20B is doable = and more important affordable........IMHO

Best,
Kelly Troyer=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 10:40 = AM Marcus Wiese c= ardmarc@charter.net <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
? The automo= tive front becomes aircraft rear; Tranny side becomes PSRU, so you are righ= t about the starter location, that is on =E2=80=98rear=E2=80=99 automotive = housing, my bad.=C2=A0
I=E2=80=99m guessing oil pump, water pump, alt, = crank angle pickup (20b uses old style distributor while 13brew TT uses cra= nk angle sensors), other subtle changes for brackets, etc? A la Mistral mou= nt?
M

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 8, 2020, at 10:31 AM, Char= lie England ceeng= land7@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
I think he's talking about the other end.

Sent from BlueMail
On Jul 8, 2020, at 10:04 AM, "Marcus Wiese = cardmarc@charter.= net" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
I would be interested in 2 or 3 of them. What =E2=80=98features=E2=80=99 wo= uld it have? Would it use the standard AT bolt pattern for the AT reduction= starter, etc? All 20bs were AT, as were many 13b rew TT and Cosmo engines = (which I concentrate on)
Marc

Sent from my iPad=

On Jul 8, 2020, at 3:1= 7 AM, Kelly Troyer ke= ltro@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
I am in contact with a person with th= e design and manufacturing=C2=A0= capability to produce an=C2=A0Aviation Specific 13B/20B Mazda Front Side=C2=A0Housing machined from 7075-T6=C2=A0= with mount points that=C2=A0would allow = these engines

to be a bolt in to the engine moun= t ring (30 degree number 1 Dyna) as used by the "Vans" RV-10 and = other aircraft that use the Lycoming O/IO 540 engine..........This side pla= te is in the preliminary design stage and at this

point I am a go be= tween to see if there would be any interest in this product if and when it = is=C2=A0produced...........I pe= rsonally am interested this side plate........As we on this forum know both= the 13B / 20B are capable of truly

amazing power levels both natura= lly aspirated and turbo boosted.........The 20B would make the Van's RV= -10 , Glasair 3 or Lancair's that use the Lycoming O/IO 540 an easy 300= + hp almost bolt in engine...........

The "Reno" Sport Cla= ss "Glasairs" and Lancairs" are producing almost 400 mph spe= eds using dual turbo Lycoming IO-550 engines that are virtual hand grenades= pulling over 700 hp...........There are turbo 20B's pulling

120= 0 hp out in the auto racing world with good reliability..........A 20B boos= ted to 700+ hp is not even breathing hard.........IMHO

Would like to= hear what interest there may be in this product if and when it may be prod= uced............Or any comments pro or con..............= =C2=A0=C2=A0

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Kelly = Troyer

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