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Any un-burned oil in the fuel ends up in the sump. =C2=A0 Bobby =C2=A0 From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20 Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 12:34 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Renesis break-in =C2=A0 Thanks Bobby =20 Great info about titrating the pre-mix amount. =20 I assume that what you mean by "making sump oil refers to the oil level in = the sump increasing with use. Am I correct?=20 =20 What I was referring to in my last post was the break-in process and the oi= l to be used as a pre-mix. =20 Thanks again, =20 Rich =20 =20 =20 In a message dated 6/29/2020 11:19:12 AM Central Standard Time, flyrotary@l= ancaironline.net writes: Rich, =C2=A0 If you are not using sump oil injection then I doubt you will ever see any = carbon build up. We run our engines at high rpm. You start two stroke at a = mixture around 1oz per gallon. Then reduce that amount until you stop makin= g sump oil. I was still make sump oil at .8oz per gallon but didn=E2=80=99t= reduce any further. With the constant speed prop and super charger I could= run lean mixtures and 30-32=E2=80=9D MP for hours at a time. I wanted extr= a oil in fuel. A little water through the intake will not hurt. I ran water= injection for takeoff above 35=E2=80=9D MP during the Texas summer. 100cc = per minute. A freshly overhauled engine should have zero carbon buildup.=20 =C2=A0 Bobby =C2=A0 From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20 Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 10:31 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Renesis break-in =C2=A0 Head still breaking-in Len, just to clarify, Do you mean to put an additional 1/2 oz per gal conventional oil in the alr= eady added premix (about 1.5 oz total pre and conventional oil?). Additionally in a newly overhauled engine do you still recommend the water = technique to get rid of the carbon created by the break-in period of the oi= l mixture. Additionally additionally is standard oil miscible with both pre-mix and fu= el? Additionally additionally=C2=A0 and as well---Do you think that the water t= reatment should be done periodically and if=C2=A0 so how often?=C2=A0 When = I rebuilt my motor after only about 14K the rotors had significant carbon (= which was a bit#h to remove.) perhaps to do the water as a prophylactic tre= atment. Thanks again again, again Rich -----Original Message----- From: lehanover lehanover@aol.com To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Sun, Jun 28, 2020 12:49 pm Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Renesis break-in Cheap conventional oil in the premix at about 1/2 ounce per gallon as well = as in the crank case. The round rings are oil scrapers and are supposed to = keep crank case oil out of the combustion chamber, same as a piston engine.= Do not tell anybody about this.......with a warm engine at 2,000 RPM...slo= wly add 1 cup of water to the intake over several minutes. It will remove a= ll of the carbon from the rotor face and free up sticking apex seals in mos= t cases.=C2=A0 Works on piston engines as well....like MAGIC. Saves hours o= f scraping. On street cars it will plug up the reactor.....with carbon crap= ........... You didn't hear it here..............Lynn E Hanover In a message dated 6/28/2020 12:47:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, flyrotary@l= ancaironline.net writes:=20 On reading my last post, I just realized that the side seals (circular) are= indeed lubricated by crank case oil=C2=A0 so the first part of my question= was self-answered. That still leaves the pre-mix question. Sorry for the multiple stream-of-consciousness questions. Rich In a message dated 6/28/2020 11:43:51 AM Central Standard Time, flyrotary@l= ancaironline.net writes:=20 Rethinking my last post, I just realized that the typical rotary, in automotive use uses crankcase o= il for seal lubrication. In my assembly, I will be using pre-mix in the fuel. the crankcase oil will= =C2=A0 never see the chambers (if I am lucky). Any advice from you or other on this list what to use for break-in pre-mix? Since the bearings, bushing and eccentric shaft have been relatively untouc= hed, (14K on engine since rebuild) it seems as synthetic in the case would = be OK however, the rotors seem to have different needs on break-in Rich In a message dated 6/27/2020 12:08:01 PM Central Standard Time, flyrotary@l= ancaironline.net writes:=20 I used a Texaco fleet oil for two hours at 2000 RPM. Then dump the oil and = check the filter paper for metal. Then 40 or 50 weight Redline racing oil. Never over 180 degrees on the cool= ant.=C2=A0 Then a lap at part throttle then good for 9,600 RPM at full thro= ttle. No oil related failures in 35 years of racing. You could do 4 hours at 2000 RPM no load or part load on fleet oil. Should = be plenty. Never over 180 degrees. It worked for me...............Lynn E. Hanover In a message dated 6/27/2020 10:00:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, flyrotary@l= ancaironline.net writes:=20 So I Googled break-in procedures for the RX8. Less than 4000RPM for the first 600-1000 miles. I don't see that happening. I don't think I can keep the RV-4 level at less than 4,500 RPM, depending on prop. And I sure want full power at takeoff and climb to pattern altitude. I guess I could run it on the ground for 10 hours at varying RPMs below 4000, but really? What did you do with a new Renesis? Finn --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Homepage:=C2=A0 http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub:=C2=A0 http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/L= ist.html =C2=A0 Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confiden= tial. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized = to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that a= ny disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the co= ntents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been auto= matically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (= SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human = generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. 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thanks
Rich

In a message dated 6/29/2020 12:54:24 PM Central Standard Time, flyrotary@l= ancaironline.net writes:

Correct. Any un-burned oi= l in the fuel ends up in the sump.

 

Bobby

 

From: Rotary motors= in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 12:34 PM
To: Rotary motors in a= ircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Renesis break-in

 

Thanks Bobby


Great info about titrating th= e pre-mix amount.


I assume that what you mean b= y "making sump oil refers to the oil level in the sump increasing with use.= Am I correct?


What I was referring to in my= last post was the break-in process and the oil to be used as a pre-mix.


Thanks again,


Rich




In a message dated 6/29/2020 11:19:12 A= M Central Standard Time, flyrotary@lancaironline.net = writes:


Rich,

 

If you are not using sump= oil injection then I doubt you will ever see any carbon build up. We run o= ur engines at high rpm. You start two stroke at a mixture around 1oz per ga= llon. Then reduce that amount until you stop making sump oil. I was still m= ake sump oil at .8oz per gallon but didn’t reduce any further. With t= he constant speed prop and super charger I could run lean mixtures and 30-3= 2” MP for hours at a time. I wanted extra oil in fuel. A little water= through the intake will not hurt. I ran water injection for takeoff above = 35” MP during the Texas summer. 100cc per minute. A freshly overhaule= d engine should have zero carbon buildup.

 

Bobby

 

From: Rotary motors= in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Monday, Jun= e 29, 2020 10:31 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRo= tary] Re: Renesis break-in

 

Head still breaking-in3D"Image


Len, just to clarify,<= /p>


Do you mean to put an additio= nal 1/2 oz per gal conventional oil in the already added premix (about 1.5 = oz total pre and conventional oil?).


Additionally in a newly overh= auled engine do you still recommend the water technique to get rid of the c= arbon created by the break-in period of the oil mixture.


Additionally additionally is = standard oil miscible with both pre-mix and fuel?


Additionally additionally&nbs= p; and as well---Do you think that the water treatment should be done perio= dically and if  so how often?  When I rebuilt my motor after only= about 14K the rotors had significant carbon (which was a bit#h to remove.)= perhaps to do the water as a prophylactic treatment.


Thanks again again, again

Rich




-----Original Message-----
From: lehanover lehanover@aol.com= <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft &= lt;flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sun, Jun 28, 2020 12:49 pm
S= ubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Renesis break-in

Cheap conventional oil in the= premix at about 1/2 ounce per gallon as well as in the crank case. The rou= nd rings are oil scrapers and are supposed to keep crank case oil out of th= e combustion chamber, same as a piston engine. Do not tell anybody about th= is.......with a warm engine at 2,000 RPM...slowly add 1 cup of water to the= intake over several minutes. It will remove all of the carbon from the rot= or face and free up sticking apex seals in most cases.  Works on pisto= n engines as well....like MAGIC. Saves hours of scraping. On street cars it= will plug up the reactor.....with carbon crap...........


You didn't hear it here......= ........Lynn E Hanover


In a message dated 6/28/2020 = 12:47:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, flyrotary@lancaironlin= e.net writes:


On reading my last post, I ju= st realized that the side seals (circular) are indeed lubricated by crank c= ase oil  so the first part of my question was self-answered.


That still leaves the pre-mix= question.


Sorry for the multiple stream= -of-consciousness questions.

Rich


In a message dated 6/28/2020 = 11:43:51 AM Central Standard Time, flyrotary@lancaironlin= e.net writes:



Rethinking my last post,


I just realized that the typi= cal rotary, in automotive use uses crankcase oil for seal lubrication.

In my assembly, I will be usi= ng pre-mix in the fuel. the crankcase oil will  never see the chambers= (if I am lucky).


Any advice from you or other = on this list what to use for break-in pre-mix?

Since the bearings, bushing a= nd eccentric shaft have been relatively untouched, (14K on engine since reb= uild) it seems as synthetic in the case would be OK however, the rotors see= m to have different needs on break-in


Rich



In a message dated 6/27/2020 = 12:08:01 PM Central Standard Time, flyrotary@lancaironlin= e.net writes:


I used a Texaco fleet oil for= two hours at 2000 RPM. Then dump the oil and check the filter paper for me= tal.

Then 40 or 50 weight Redline = racing oil. Never over 180 degrees on the coolant.  Then a lap at part= throttle then good for 9,600 RPM at full throttle. No oil related failures= in 35 years of racing.


You could do 4 hours at 2000 = RPM no load or part load on fleet oil. Should be plenty. Never over 180 deg= rees.

It worked for me.............= ..Lynn E. Hanover



In a message dated 6/27/2020 = 10:00:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, flyrotary@lancaironlin= e.net writes:


So I Googled break-in procedu= res for the RX8.


Less than 4000RPM for the fir= st 600-1000 miles.


I don't see that happening. I= don't think I can keep the RV-4 level at

less than 4,500 RPM, dependin= g on prop.


And I sure want full power at= takeoff and climb to pattern altitude.


I guess I could run it on the= ground for 10 hours at varying RPMs below

4000, but really?


What did you do with a new Re= nesis?


Finn



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