X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=RZTu9Glv c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=aUb0gpmLtesR8ZTSUQD2JA==:117 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=Fee85h93u3AA:10 a=nTHF0DUjJn0A:10 a=DK2GG6i_IL4A:10 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=N-fW9BFCt9Zr0vQelhUA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=gvSQh4r-fQ0A:10 a=07k2amomNOkc7Mc8kNcA:9 a=LS9dz9NvzsknERny:21 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=grOzbf7U_OpcSX4AJOnl:22 a=pHzHmUro8NiASowvMSCR:22 a=nt3jZW36AmriUCFCBwmW:22 From: "lehanover lehanover@aol.com" Received: from sonic317-26.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com ([74.6.129.81] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.14) with ESMTPS id 428144 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 28 Jun 2020 13:49:48 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=74.6.129.81; envelope-from=lehanover@aol.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=aol.com; s=a2048; t=1593366571; bh=YTGjBPlNHvpEF0oKUzXoyivbaAqZ0D/4g48vWF9mAk8=; h=Date:From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=qEwG4kZNGw7YV1P2SIx88uN4fsrNTqiMT4alOEEGAMm4FCNNaYPujVBx106onFhWaMORsXbGAqAQeq+m/T79eIWZITkleizrGrhdCfwWiQTQ1HCBYrUlpkVBHy8qB35B4X1KLofcbNaXrFFb8nlkobW54i23jOtyzvSCc6ATZFGQ7eDK9evCoztat+DziwYN5+DDQTnjwDkiggFh9vsY6H34QqAOr//d8foVRXdJFqONlPxws0t+nHeFuoyR40acGS1U1JW4SUnjtIWc8i6WJIIu0+gZu51AVwNUhXwIynq/6C4RqiD6TLzek1v7isLP4i6NUDxCJ4ZcJxQddyCf4Q== X-YMail-OSG: mvVW2TsVM1kcfzzrcUOnVT.sWHXipfBnYBQU18egMHJANVckAQN5uR84aWr__uU UuDPNpS4bNFAIKUdt8vYlndSFGsiaFRysOddX2Ixb99Z3t4N5tgbzoKSjdWMzOzR4GYb.hoTifML j1oCDVsPSp9zliZhKArSLMu1WxRq7QFvA4IoG_WrUQoozcrSQF4olOzM5V35z6vEpVQB6rrlge_2 ltAWTl5sp9Y4FRd4wvtiEizecaH3Gvg4LI_81T.Gp5Y7VmlbZQ1b1a1rWZLvqONd166v_ONYIheo ppH4iJEeo1Wr.aeM8X43Tgqjvv_a9ueG_GchTyKjbAygI8HGYNUCOahFZQyNrAYh6JAVCubJ3N5Q WuKl1na5ZFpXgn7luja24AyYYVehP1PaLkbTFkdE93yeUECxBoNAK.eNlpMoGad0c5jS7AC0ZTWd Yl0H3fRSYfYB5XGCeEqksg.F6yvb8i2dE1XNu7U3tu2xLtXMqStXYVgwSZhy2h2jO_PgFOFtE2_J FmsHPRfl21qM1v7VCYNxxuX2YCwczAk8tdwLILWPP5SMB6lT7rzCxXJSZpE2Kda3KrXW9U3b7J1t GmOyQNyABqklzI.1U8SJMLfxfR4iHwTQjdnxTZkHASOTxMgVDsDVHHXsWVIDvgsEWBoybbEkV37_ 48_4IYH_bQV8tPMr_xO2AXdjOf8ZeTMRn6APr3ZXPaaLk3Hgl3rn3qK4PSPFZK2U2.4jydbx.N.i IG2vuTU6y_XiH9sNJr2J55bea6b.wSjGmXqopMwV9auDL6BQkZcqsfk4pPORG0nUy0IQF6sYwIOy 3AnNWIW9.u6bjkkFUvyH4P.QnXC_aIySBxSU9M7CJk_Uj3q4w_o_2Z8iRFLGcXF.IunDFikHd2VI 33cXyCG71917gZnnVvgoCZzPIV.FVn8M4ck6frsx9DOzcEjyrWdMtn4sjGVOKI6KlzeSgJVzXIoS fM6K0MrvaI8d8VqJWJt3TgB6I76yfSj6fE0jJU4nYgAriQJ8yv3WdN18a8PtkdKVlJbfSYnfy0Rw Cvn5NbjsupO1jXg9s2PZrTS7BOL4FQK0rC1CUCypRcB8q6_paU7PraJ3YHPXu4.ijF3IR03AhTyO EWDERI46AwJRlAXbVcIsCFfnPPSUA_19BIznSv12oEcaTs_ZQZUJmRBJAyi6gdxUj1j7Mgjg4u5c uedXNqDikMwjkB4fke3ZJe6ReCUJnaUctUVK8RUmGFVFEbJ9ijFLEBh05SNABQOqmVscqJRuQZ47 1sIjTUn0_rDvschViwQyRtUL1AoQ6OFhkJIg57zVL8_EfN9F1xZ5VeEm4UdGKuAItgLvQh9hxNQ6 AX6wSNN4owAkxSxLkVKiBqDNjjr0- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic317.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 28 Jun 2020 17:49:31 +0000 Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 17:49:29 +0000 (UTC) To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message-ID: <54242020.3457196.1593366569955@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Renesis break-in MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3457195_1700061095.1593366569953" X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.16138 aolloki Apache-HttpClient/4.5.7 (Java/1.8.0_252) Content-Length: 11104 ------=_Part_3457195_1700061095.1593366569953 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cheap conventional oil in the premix at about 1/2 ounce per gallon as well = as in the crank case. The round rings are oil scrapers and are supposed to = keep crank case oil out of the combustion chamber, same as a piston engine.= Do not tell anybody about this.......with a warm engine at 2,000 RPM...slo= wly add 1 cup of water to the intake over several minutes. It will remove a= ll of the carbon from the rotor face and free up sticking apex seals in mos= t cases.=C2=A0 Works on piston engines as well....like MAGIC. Saves hours o= f scraping. On street cars it will plug up the reactor.....with carbon crap= ........... You didn't hear it here..............Lynn E Hanover In a message dated 6/28/2020 12:47:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, flyrotary@l= ancaironline.net writes: On reading my last post, I just realized that the side seals (circular) are= indeed lubricated by crank case oil=C2=A0 so the first part of my question= was self-answered. That still leaves the pre-mix question. Sorry for the multiple stream-of-consciousness questions.Rich In a message dated 6/28/2020 11:43:51 AM Central Standard Time, flyrotary@l= ancaironline.net writes: Rethinking my last post, I just realized that the typical rotary, in automotive use uses crankcase = oil for seal lubrication.In my assembly, I will be using pre-mix in the fue= l. the crankcase oil will=C2=A0 never see the chambers (if I am lucky). Any advice from you or other on this list what to use for break-in pre-mix?= Since the bearings, bushing and eccentric shaft have been relatively untouc= hed, (14K on engine since rebuild) it seems as synthetic in the case would = be OK however, the rotors seem to have different needs on break-in Rich In a message dated 6/27/2020 12:08:01 PM Central Standard Time, flyrotary@l= ancaironline.net writes: I used a Texaco fleet oil for two hours at 2000 RPM. Then dump the oil and = check the filter paper for metal.Then 40 or 50 weight Redline racing oil. N= ever over 180 degrees on the coolant.=C2=A0 Then a lap at part throttle the= n good for 9,600 RPM at full throttle. No oil related failures in 35 years = of racing. You could do 4 hours at 2000 RPM no load or part load on fleet oil. Should = be plenty. Never over 180 degrees.It worked for me...............Lynn E. Ha= nover In a message dated 6/27/2020 10:00:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, flyrotary@l= ancaironline.net writes: So I Googled break-in procedures for the RX8. Less than 4000RPM for the first 600-1000 miles. I don't see that happening. I don't think I can keep the RV-4 level atless = than 4,500 RPM, depending on prop. And I sure want full power at takeoff and climb to pattern altitude. I guess I could run it on the ground for 10 hours at varying RPMs below4000= , but really? What did you do with a new Renesis? 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Cheap conventional oil in the premix at about 1/2 ounce per gallon as well as in the crank case. The round rings are oil scrapers and are supposed to keep crank case oil out of the combustion chamber, same as a piston engine. Do not tell anybody about this.......with a warm engine at 2,000 RPM...slowly add 1 cup of water to the intake over several minutes. It will remove all of the carbon from the rotor face and free up sticking apex seals in most cases.  Works on piston engines as well....like MAGIC. Saves hours of scraping. On street cars it will plug up the reactor.....with carbon crap...........

You didn't hear it here..............Lynn E Hanover

In a message dated 6/28/2020 12:47:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes:

On reading my last post, I just realized that the side seals (circular) are indeed lubricated by crank case oil  so the first part of my question was self-answered.

That still leaves the pre-mix question.

Sorry for the multiple stream-of-consciousness questions.
Rich

In a message dated 6/28/2020 11:43:51 AM Central Standard Time, flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes:


Rethinking my last post,

I just realized that the typical rotary, in automotive use uses crankcase oil for seal lubrication.
In my assembly, I will be using pre-mix in the fuel. the crankcase oil will  never see the chambers (if I am lucky).

Any advice from you or other on this list what to use for break-in pre-mix?
Since the bearings, bushing and eccentric shaft have been relatively untouched, (14K on engine since rebuild) it seems as synthetic in the case would be OK however, the rotors seem to have different needs on break-in

Rich


In a message dated 6/27/2020 12:08:01 PM Central Standard Time, flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes:

I used a Texaco fleet oil for two hours at 2000 RPM. Then dump the oil and check the filter paper for metal.
Then 40 or 50 weight Redline racing oil. Never over 180 degrees on the coolant.  Then a lap at part throttle then good for 9,600 RPM at full throttle. No oil related failures in 35 years of racing.

You could do 4 hours at 2000 RPM no load or part load on fleet oil. Should be plenty. Never over 180 degrees.
It worked for me...............Lynn E. Hanover


In a message dated 6/27/2020 10:00:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes:

So I Googled break-in procedures for the RX8.

Less than 4000RPM for the first 600-1000 miles.

I don't see that happening. I don't think I can keep the RV-4 level at
less than 4,500 RPM, depending on prop.

And I sure want full power at takeoff and climb to pattern altitude.

I guess I could run it on the ground for 10 hours at varying RPMs below
4000, but really?

What did you do with a new Renesis?

Finn


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