X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=RZTu9Glv c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=pfiIW4oFxDwNar2vhMQO2w==:117 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=e8BSqymJ620A:10 a=nTHF0DUjJn0A:10 a=DK2GG6i_IL4A:10 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=FJZYUZUPCzK0C-wLM1QA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=gvSQh4r-fQ0A:10 a=8xPuELMIaLgA:10 a=Be5DVPiRHsZ0by-YvPUA:9 a=hsZ3zICpN7EMamus:21 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=grOzbf7U_OpcSX4AJOnl:22 a=pHzHmUro8NiASowvMSCR:22 a=nt3jZW36AmriUCFCBwmW:22 From: " argoldman@aol.com" Received: from sonic301-22.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([98.137.64.148] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.14) with ESMTPS id 427775 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 28 Jun 2020 12:17:32 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.137.64.148; envelope-from=argoldman@aol.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=aol.com; s=a2048; t=1593361035; bh=JOdqxiP9aTOPruq4IzdnSzozirbCo0CoiwLdOxnQpyc=; h=Date:From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=Z8h4KKFIsf3o/FRTe1x/e259jrrMaVIpj4BdVXtsiaGoe+d9ryUf2uEgMDm9geM08wLw/aUAKy+prlRjN0EcDfNEZkRsq1mBTdP/QkuNn0F6LzxiK7IMHeAkC209MKpnpfkaeC94pQoU3Fpcm+XlRFHT6RlJCSYoFlpbfpODh4fhlJ+FA6Hc1QXVnHgJCMS5yMEjqx/qdPpCmAGb7Zp+L/87ThjbfeqTOYKaZE00CEXuK2GiMtyELkdHyYtA07/qyn6+oUcRbCJdHdOxrPAhdtcD9ad+Jo/Eyig5mG0Pzo1lh7v8qdV7dsdDpFJgiBT4taNJ9B/STtTG+6Sa0nRKRw== X-YMail-OSG: iboiYfcVM1nOMOFp6zoNCEjw_eoBsi6j4Z295cHusH.3r5KQedIwInQmK04rEiI UHXz2Q235qMYt1zi4W__31yuuetFw6qfm9FWOcMrobvDm49jtZmJ3_A2YurI.o.rtaQPr.WyjyYq GEQcwCZG9UQbm_03Wxmjp0KAqyjFWB0G7ePhT5ZEADV4XVQhcJW3b0U9SdkGUwcUrXeBPHjcX53F IFoOHZAtiv6Qwlrn3r3JsJSbTUzUrHpEXKpjoROAR.k6nqSvMQibmWXGLsZxI0nlJrNV5e1KPvBv JfGY_5Ro_tH5gJ8fELEVxTidactbGpbGuS_NC767N.rCKh6xtINuV7kIxZSRrbJZMAIOTjr9yg6o AgwQSBrVLS2tLW61nQAbpTMxjPEr.jQqX5vpev74brwNCzKeAlAQ4ZNd_3SFT8_U00060DXR4AHK O7QoESD_gVSXTVSqBCbVDQJe1trfElOkWddT.TD1WqS8HoV2Po_wH8vEQI8hfzVW8.XP1Bcp38dX fhpQZYQ_Va9xZdSu_QNbvfnK1qQEXj7mZqXv.KZ6yjvmpHYMthSos_RqwTEkdhrcHcBNKklS1.fV 5gESY_Pn29CTwp7Ao4.8x4auGsLu8QfQjkG_.ITrw_VJV1e7F1FPgjXg.UbsnClSXpJjqZFOlLFv K42wZjXk8tKrIuL0ZEFKPlBMeo0q5a4bEJsULJ8j.8EpJ7KRvr..PMFE3EGn6gv0BYtDq2OoRdo1 orRAEwpfCTRJgp0muCtxRxL.10eVl3f6HwUVLUdQwvEAQ_Ea6bmRcaY20dmGLjmNADUYUxgGtBqj NKGkXFfJrBpjMihCH2g0IceRx92pxDMMATaWy7l3JyP9CMLfZIRtSPiZu9jXJnPMUCzPIH1IUmK. q1h.TsfcurAJXjQu7LXw1ZT9sFq6sEW1oMQ9agMssMKlfxV4QOxcgxZpSfZaxarARZqH29LLZxQo jGUEX92ePux_7isLhtif54T_7anM8Jqh5.bI8kXovPFFJgLFkzrEdZiSX2J.loir8pljzpcuCDJa kYh4xdlyT2LG1d5Ufv9BQJle9ZxDVTPdgbN8Os_Qy7y6AuOnu.0Ml..vr55YCV87GGvkAB9mhIpk rXXrdYli.wxz2bDf68_TyBJ7JB75MRsMbA1uCee139s9r1JK2.TJHRWPaOX6rJu87bMtUqwlv_Zi kRslM0HSqwHfBLJwti0pgSrs9AeD3oTj5fU4.wdb5HwM6DRhQQrOYTbDBGG7F.p_4yMbxKUgs1yE 23Lel17JKtCxnQIipWsipBGBHO06tMSa7l6R6C5jU Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic301.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 28 Jun 2020 16:17:15 +0000 Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 16:17:12 +0000 (UTC) To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message-ID: <1001401394.369404.1593361032095@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Renesis break-in MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_369403_466493938.1593361032093" X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.16138 aolloki Apache-HttpClient/4.5.7 (Java/1.8.0_252) Content-Length: 10810 ------=_Part_369403_466493938.1593361032093 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks again Lynn You mentioned Texaco fleet oil..what weight and specific type of oil, if yo= u remember ie AD straight etc.-- I can't seem to find it on the net. When I break it in, I don't want to screw it up. Rich In a message dated 6/27/2020 9:52:21 PM Central Standard Time, flyrotary@la= ncaironline.net writes: The point of the Texaco oil when I did it was that it had the poorest film = strength and the most compressibility of the available oils. Harris Woods u= sed Texaco oil in a small diameter tube as the spring in the landing gearof= the original woody pusher. So, the breaking is to allow the pieces that ar= e a bit proud of what they should be can get warn down a bit and thus impro= ve compression some.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0However, most synthetics have very = high film strength and near zero compressibility. So, the break in=C2=A0 pe= riod may outlast you. And the engine will finally seal up for the guy that = buys the plane off of your widow. In the short term there will be extra blo= w by and higher crankcase pressure.=C2=A0 It means a bit of oil in the catc= h tank after every flight. There should be little to none in the tank, depe= nding on how clever your breathing system is. So do not use a synthetic lube of any kind in the assembly of a rotary unle= ss you are using the seals over again, then by all means use synthetics eve= rywhere. . New seals means no synthetics until after break in. I have no personal contact with Mobile one, but early in its production the= re were some problems. Now it is good enough for Corvettes. What pour weigh= t to use I do not know. I used 40 and 50 weight Redline because it pours li= ke lighter fluid. Not a single oil related problem. Or, I could be completely wrong..............Lynn E. Hanover=C2=A0 In a message dated 6/27/2020 7:23:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, flyrotary@la= ncaironline.net writes: What is the current feeling on mobile 1 and if positive what weight and sho= uld it be used for break-in? Rich =C2=A0 Sent from my iPhone On Jun 27, 2020, at 12:07 PM, lehanover lehanover@aol.com wrote: I used a Texaco fleet oil for two hours at 2000 RPM. Then dump the oil and = check the filter paper for metal.Then 40 or 50 weight Redline racing oil. N= ever over 180 degrees on the coolant.=C2=A0 Then a lap at part throttle the= n good for 9,600 RPM at full throttle. No oil related failures in 35 years = of racing. You could do 4 hours at 2000 RPM no load or part load on fleet oil. Should = be plenty. Never over 180 degrees.It worked for me...............Lynn E. Ha= nover In a message dated 6/27/2020 10:00:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, flyrotary@l= ancaironline.net writes: So I Googled break-in procedures for the RX8. Less than 4000RPM for the first 600-1000 miles. I don't see that happening. I don't think I can keep the RV-4 level atless = than 4,500 RPM, depending on prop. And I sure want full power at takeoff and climb to pattern altitude. I guess I could run it on the ground for 10 hours at varying RPMs below4000= , but really? What did you do with a new Renesis? Finn ---This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.http= s://www.avast.com/antivirus --Homepage:=C2=A0 http://www.flyrotary.com/Archive and UnSub:=C2=A0 http://= mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------=_Part_369403_466493938.1593361032093 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
thanks again Lynn

You mentioned Texaco fleet oil..what weight and specific type of oil, if you remember ie AD straight etc.-- I can't seem to find it on the net.

When I break it in, I don't want to screw it up.

Rich

In a message dated 6/27/2020 9:52:21 PM Central Standard Time, flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes:

The point of the Texaco oil when I did it was that it had the poorest film strength and the most compressibility of the available oils. Harris Woods used Texaco oil in a small diameter tube as the spring in the landing gear
of the original woody pusher. So, the breaking is to allow the pieces that are a bit proud of what they should be can get warn down a bit and thus improve compression some.     However, most synthetics have very high film strength and near zero compressibility. So, the break in  period may outlast you. And the engine will finally seal up for the guy that buys the plane off of your widow. In the short term there will be extra blow by and higher crankcase pressure.  It means a bit of oil in the catch tank after every flight. There should be little to none in the tank, depending on how clever your breathing system is.

So do not use a synthetic lube of any kind in the assembly of a rotary unless you are using the seals over again, then by all means use synthetics everywhere. . New seals means no synthetics until after break in.

I have no personal contact with Mobile one, but early in its production there were some problems. Now it is good enough for Corvettes. What pour weight to use I do not know. I used 40 and 50 weight Redline because it pours like lighter fluid. Not a single oil related problem.

Or, I could be completely wrong..............Lynn E. Hanover
 
In a message dated 6/27/2020 7:23:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes:

What is the current feeling on mobile 1 and if positive what weight and should it be used for break-in?

Rich

 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 27, 2020, at 12:07 PM, lehanover lehanover@aol.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

I used a Texaco fleet oil for two hours at 2000 RPM. Then dump the oil and check the filter paper for metal.
Then 40 or 50 weight Redline racing oil. Never over 180 degrees on the coolant.  Then a lap at part throttle then good for 9,600 RPM at full throttle. No oil related failures in 35 years of racing.

You could do 4 hours at 2000 RPM no load or part load on fleet oil. Should be plenty. Never over 180 degrees.
It worked for me...............Lynn E. Hanover


In a message dated 6/27/2020 10:00:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes:

So I Googled break-in procedures for the RX8.

Less than 4000RPM for the first 600-1000 miles.

I don't see that happening. I don't think I can keep the RV-4 level at
less than 4,500 RPM, depending on prop.

And I sure want full power at takeoff and climb to pattern altitude.

I guess I could run it on the ground for 10 hours at varying RPMs below
4000, but really?

What did you do with a new Renesis?

Finn


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