X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=RZTu9Glv c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=GWsEYdmQbN9pH0Hr6y0L/Q==:117 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=Fee85h93u3AA:10 a=nTHF0DUjJn0A:10 a=DK2GG6i_IL4A:10 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=N-fW9BFCt9Zr0vQelhUA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=gvSQh4r-fQ0A:10 a=8xPuELMIaLgA:10 a=86WcTeA7Lw6LZpWGDTYA:9 a=895l_NQzRmRi332z:21 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=grOzbf7U_OpcSX4AJOnl:22 a=pHzHmUro8NiASowvMSCR:22 a=nt3jZW36AmriUCFCBwmW:22 From: "lehanover lehanover@aol.com" Received: from sonic304-10.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com ([74.6.128.33] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.14) with ESMTPS id 426769 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 27 Jun 2020 22:52:18 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=74.6.128.33; envelope-from=lehanover@aol.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=aol.com; s=a2048; t=1593312722; bh=nANGVnUMKevZXCUA3GhLjQW2QlGS7A7bO+e6aHY5Yag=; h=Date:From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=ieh+ECCo8c3PBKEyjRTTsxx6ofrcBlzib0D0wTjN4Tm54vyTB+hNSglDE1ex45zRWcIhCRU972lUEujzPrVpa3XGLYVHKa704EJJ4h1hG6w4lcVREorQF1vmNns4AEmW+7EDdfeNTPfe1990wzEkjTsadWvotfCon521RlIyVrKfG84ODxgUzHkBajb6NGfylm1wKRu3Ke3kxArhbDsLGbhhXERq/GMYsuCC9o71vhPN013IlqJFQBqdPvpMlkC/2emC8eroJ1ve2dvXeKqP71v0h4sRqRTMq9v3i7GPaGwiL2Xjl7p2R0VUwqHF914mZbve/FkQbMz+ewRNdKE5xg== X-YMail-OSG: h_ghUg4VM1nIkWURdlB.eAs2h4_3_EsU8O0AsRXSjUZ4kEeol24uuIof1JMdjaN sOHiU9loD.qfNee.hm67EUVDy1n5SFlXNUBFRYn_ibniQ4NXBbFz.NdXvb0Nffb5zaAgEE.xEGMi EBggtAjEtbNrJgz1ninvfIZtt2yV8X2syJmftxwxT80R6S19Gx3y.URcgto3x4gdpzQmDr9pg9Br W3fuwx7Pha2Pp97tipczALlnEvxyM7dD3ZcZOSb4b3fPuDRxzLLAvDRsUaczGSZWBNi4fETRd2Bk T0YWXZws0pODDwbyTY2bcBhTHh7mTFU1VvlIdHxevpbrSCgwKE_radSEPAGrogB0.uDBdymxubOS rGfnQOF0K39z.8dTAPnK0u98ShMIguDQNymr1Li4mdTkbp3vdEOQBB3EvXyB2JBCSrX4nA8Ewy5e BfTy5IwP6EqhZ8cp_0nE3wHH1pEZG8pp67mVEpJGOVygEiJXtr_HDPlu1qyz_6wnnNEKUljbl6uY _C1AWL3mhGkskgBo9vzAsl.9T41H_k3OpX_jEa1UyfXwhfX6LkiOVgqU4iKRhmacnwcZZQXA2mhz kq5qz2eMA7ZDj2tWVxbNUrmaVZ2uanseWpCG47AYaMO7QfNznMe6.xSPxZsgxTsp2gvfVreWbAO0 Hnp4X4QzUK.wkT0SlgBTz79CZXmUvzPWTOtK9AszsH2xIi3hvfDrvNtzsf_ZDx_VwPMP8FOUdagH jm2qJj9Ifkj6Z7H05RJ7CratbEKxyODLDMQkKaG3Hmj_T9vnTLgIcxvcuwfAMUeviGSkuMYmOInV PLswBo49aAsdBDWVxYLYA3jedNZkFKEe1Udr0JNcDaH6g892Y7NkoMfZ9S9xG40YwI5Ipbukkrjf NlhaH5wNjkrDOsg1k1tbRAUR9zDy0kHssLsPJVA01u1.BidWM76_f_Zmi94fSPDC2hS3BzaGtZVR xnzqMzvxfMasb1ZSeggpQvRNALbU9Z5toX_ilTDVcXvPH0sU3yqxLur8G6BckITHqJVlTMwQWKGm n973q8shi_RXu2AfWAZ1TNw8fnTk2gpQZx2OAPsTs.rN2IxNFtCEeP3Y_7Kt3ISIxo0OcYXG9sVK NiW5mvTf8Ie8XEmrRGMaBBSeyPyx411a_cM.QKO16RN5JtRmfAPQJohVpGhqXEKn38OHzcnNfLQG vRKv.R8RAZ0LuhOFoP3h1i5jXyddbNFLv11e96cDtd54rsKMcwcvLY.iYDpWHmSuzqARz76YoBeX 2O_dmAFQ0MexEl8ogM3zWAEjvaB6rXJLupMbuQ4mpfjeGwAf9SBdo5yKAfCXYlPIQNqg- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic304.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 28 Jun 2020 02:52:02 +0000 Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 02:52:01 +0000 (UTC) To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message-ID: <1550422135.3365525.1593312721792@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Renesis break-in MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3365524_107100767.1593312721790" X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.16138 aolloki Apache-HttpClient/4.5.7 (Java/1.8.0_252) Content-Length: 9546 ------=_Part_3365524_107100767.1593312721790 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The point of the Texaco oil when I did it was that it had the poorest film = strength and the most compressibility of the available oils. Harris Woods u= sed Texaco oil in a small diameter tube as the spring in the landing gearof= the original woody pusher. So, the breaking is to allow the pieces that ar= e a bit proud of what they should be can get warn down a bit and thus impro= ve compression some.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0However, most synthetics have very = high film strength and near zero compressibility. So, the break in=C2=A0 pe= riod may outlast you. And the engine will finally seal up for the guy that = buys the plane off of your widow. In the short term there will be extra blo= w by and higher crankcase pressure.=C2=A0 It means a bit of oil in the catc= h tank after every flight. There should be little to none in the tank, depe= nding on how clever your breathing system is. So do not use a synthetic lube of any kind in the assembly of a rotary unle= ss you are using the seals over again, then by all means use synthetics eve= rywhere. . New seals means no synthetics until after break in. I have no personal contact with Mobile one, but early in its production the= re were some problems. Now it is good enough for Corvettes. What pour weigh= t to use I do not know. I used 40 and 50 weight Redline because it pours li= ke lighter fluid. Not a single oil related problem. Or, I could be completely wrong..............Lynn E. Hanover=C2=A0 In a message dated 6/27/2020 7:23:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, flyrotary@la= ncaironline.net writes: What is the current feeling on mobile 1 and if positive what weight and sho= uld it be used for break-in? Rich =C2=A0 Sent from my iPhone On Jun 27, 2020, at 12:07 PM, lehanover lehanover@aol.com wrote: I used a Texaco fleet oil for two hours at 2000 RPM. Then dump the oil and = check the filter paper for metal.Then 40 or 50 weight Redline racing oil. N= ever over 180 degrees on the coolant.=C2=A0 Then a lap at part throttle the= n good for 9,600 RPM at full throttle. No oil related failures in 35 years = of racing. You could do 4 hours at 2000 RPM no load or part load on fleet oil. Should = be plenty. Never over 180 degrees.It worked for me...............Lynn E. Ha= nover In a message dated 6/27/2020 10:00:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, flyrotary@l= ancaironline.net writes: So I Googled break-in procedures for the RX8. Less than 4000RPM for the first 600-1000 miles. I don't see that happening. I don't think I can keep the RV-4 level atless = than 4,500 RPM, depending on prop. And I sure want full power at takeoff and climb to pattern altitude. I guess I could run it on the ground for 10 hours at varying RPMs below4000= , but really? What did you do with a new Renesis? 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The point of the Texaco oil when I did it was that it had the poorest film strength and the most compressibility of the available oils. Harris Woods used Texaco oil in a small diameter tube as the spring in the landing gear
of the original woody pusher. So, the breaking is to allow the pieces that are a bit proud of what they should be can get warn down a bit and thus improve compression some.     However, most synthetics have very high film strength and near zero compressibility. So, the break in  period may outlast you. And the engine will finally seal up for the guy that buys the plane off of your widow. In the short term there will be extra blow by and higher crankcase pressure.  It means a bit of oil in the catch tank after every flight. There should be little to none in the tank, depending on how clever your breathing system is.

So do not use a synthetic lube of any kind in the assembly of a rotary unless you are using the seals over again, then by all means use synthetics everywhere. . New seals means no synthetics until after break in.

I have no personal contact with Mobile one, but early in its production there were some problems. Now it is good enough for Corvettes. What pour weight to use I do not know. I used 40 and 50 weight Redline because it pours like lighter fluid. Not a single oil related problem.

Or, I could be completely wrong..............Lynn E. Hanover
 
In a message dated 6/27/2020 7:23:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes:

What is the current feeling on mobile 1 and if positive what weight and should it be used for break-in?

Rich

 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 27, 2020, at 12:07 PM, lehanover lehanover@aol.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

I used a Texaco fleet oil for two hours at 2000 RPM. Then dump the oil and check the filter paper for metal.
Then 40 or 50 weight Redline racing oil. Never over 180 degrees on the coolant.  Then a lap at part throttle then good for 9,600 RPM at full throttle. No oil related failures in 35 years of racing.

You could do 4 hours at 2000 RPM no load or part load on fleet oil. Should be plenty. Never over 180 degrees.
It worked for me...............Lynn E. Hanover


In a message dated 6/27/2020 10:00:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes:

So I Googled break-in procedures for the RX8.

Less than 4000RPM for the first 600-1000 miles.

I don't see that happening. I don't think I can keep the RV-4 level at
less than 4,500 RPM, depending on prop.

And I sure want full power at takeoff and climb to pattern altitude.

I guess I could run it on the ground for 10 hours at varying RPMs below
4000, but really?

What did you do with a new Renesis?

Finn


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