X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=RZTu9Glv c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=NAjwnhkvCoi7EVVSnWxE5A==:117 a=cGQ7TKBXo2WrFbAEB0ezgg==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=CKeqCrOqW6IA:10 a=nTHF0DUjJn0A:10 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=Nd8lWPkhPVJdLZ7rJlsA:9 a=p_pe773OJCBCLUsF:21 a=D9HIF-uAeXRQGYDM:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=gvSQh4r-fQ0A:10 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=grOzbf7U_OpcSX4AJOnl:22 From: "Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com" Received: from mail-pf1-f174.google.com ([209.85.210.174] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.14) with ESMTPS id 420013 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 26 Jun 2020 05:37:27 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.210.174; envelope-from=stephen.izett@gmail.com Received: by mail-pf1-f174.google.com with SMTP id b5so4409103pfp.9 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2020 02:37:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=LGE7NtLyOwlrysVyzIVxVef3BYn8rKSlEL8p7FaY/9A=; b=ULPmV5ypIuOCwSHv0ouN1YQlnlu0f2ThJ5kjSTT+qUyWtem+DteX89YoICuA5W/ZrJ v+AyTwPlqPELO3f+saxi66YHhgKd4s3AXe0qECGLSET0VfeAEMpd/ac/x7jhi1jvc/mw 0L9HGjraFEtR9OizrsO9DYONcBUpEk0cGn0DlhoHSHq2Zxa77Khwb8ipefgXzny7cBJW XDgeet3T+aMGWb1S31WWDsmamGiJqXJauxDAzNx8lMdifSJg7iVKdMMD7n+svqojaNNP UIsv3cU37XBV+YglR/lLe/Jad3vsoJaCtZleRSXaox4Fdw1hhNB2dNFKufBwh+/pmpyE +OPA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=LGE7NtLyOwlrysVyzIVxVef3BYn8rKSlEL8p7FaY/9A=; b=b9kSL0pHQ/Stbz7Nc1/slZx//I91/NnwwSKuJ0Kgp1s17CX/XD5PeIUNjMAX3/Z8Fs uj+XLMKelJ7jmj5JQNYYYz1vliNmqWMOI4QQB3hWfHffqvItaL1uqG9/094AsHERSnPJ EBCXhYjgM+pKv/1yiiRgqE+LFBuqsqvsPpnIVg62/7I96dzdVtHSqPc8BtnygPA3kYlZ Ro2T6mG2RtKDoCMv3L6QCrJf0ru2EZPs934jd4ygzzREUOuUSZYhgBXzScQuECnBsxE+ 3/p+wivt9FVQfTZLlARfURZLcZ1D2RBegaJXrXBc6W8bQsMuXhzMcC3RSzCfvgHE/HF2 RW3Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533wprTKa1+qNQeG3Fy4QrpuKQDjVjVSXUZyEzAiBpjDQa2YDvTF c0dFaKJdmYyMCCb/atUG9oVw2FzN X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzufOO0Y3U4K7RFeifLqi0voZriyAZ5AemUIhFAj+hWOyBCaLxgNaXEAwOmFiHlhMF8tR2oFw== X-Received: by 2002:a63:b63:: with SMTP id a35mr1922439pgl.65.1593164230526; Fri, 26 Jun 2020 02:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from macbook-pro.lan ([118.209.181.43]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i184sm24692524pfc.73.2020.06.26.02.37.09 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 26 Jun 2020 02:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: BSFC change on staging Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2020 17:37:06 +0800 References: To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5DC5568A-7E6E-4982-81E2-E4EC3B0175D1@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Hi Steve I=E2=80=99m not sure my guess is as good as your given my inability to = read a scale properly!! So BSFC change and therefore fuel savings are negligible! A decimal = place really does matter. Cheers Steve > On 26 Jun 2020, at 2:19 pm, Steven W. Boese SBoese@uwyo.edu = wrote: >=20 > Steve, >=20 > BSFC is calculated from the HP and the fuel flow.=20 > =20 > The HP is calculated from the torque and the RPM. The engine is = mounted on ball bearings so it can rotate on the axis of the eccentric = shaft. That rotation is constrained with a 1 ft arm connected to a load = cell calibrated in lb. That gives torque in ft lb. Torque in ft lb = multiplied by RPM and divided by 5252 gives HP. >=20 > Fuel flow is measured with a Floscan transducer calibrated in gal/hr. = The gal/hr multiplied by 6.17 lb/US gal, gasoline gives lb/hr. >=20 > Fuel flow in lb/hr divided by HP gives BSFC in lb/(HP hr). >=20 > My EC2's are earlier version (SN 200-499) updated in early 2010 where = Mode 7 allows setting the staging threshold. The Renesis engine is = fitted with a second CAS and a replacement trigger wheel with 12 teeth = for the original CAS and one tooth for the added CAS. This allows = interchangeability with my flying 1986 13B which has a stock CAS. >=20 > Your estimate of fuel saving due to a BSFC change of 0.5 is correct. = Unfortunately, the observed BSFC change was about 0.05 rather than 0.5. >=20 > Ed Anderson once told me that as a scientist, I collect data, but it = takes an engineer to determine what the data means. (He was smiling = when he said that). Your guess as to the reason for the BSFC change is = as good or better than mine. >=20 > Steve Boese =20 >=20 > From: Rotary motors in aircraft on = behalf of Stephen Izett = stephen.izett@gmail.com > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 9:41 PM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: BSFC change on staging > =20 > =E2=97=86 This message was sent from a non-UWYO address. Please = exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments from = external sources. >=20 >=20 > Hi there Steve > Thanks for your work here. > How do you measure the BSFC? > So you have a version of the EC software where you can still change = the Staging point MAP. > The BSFC is ~0.5 better unstaged. Is this due to better fuel-air = mixing or is something else at play? >=20 > Am I right in thinking that at an economy cruise, a BSFC change of 0.5 = might yield an approx 0.9G/hr ($5/hr) of fuel saving. > That might then argue for a Staging Point at the earlier 15.5=E2=80=9D = MAP to enable unstaged cruise rather than the locked in 20=E2=80=9D MAP = of the current software version. >=20 > What is your thoughts and conclusion if you have reached any? >=20 > Thanks again Steve >=20 > Steve Izett >=20 > > On 26 Jun 2020, at 8:47 am, Steven W. Boese SBoese@uwyo.edu = wrote: > > > > I ran a test on my engine stand with staged and unstaged fuel = injectors but with the same fuel flow and MAP. The results are shown in = the attached image. The engine is a 2010 2nd generation Renesis 6 port = from an automatic transmission car with the high RPM ports blocked off = and stock fuel injectors. The reduction drive ratio is 3.18:1. The = prop is a 3 blade 72" Warp Drive and was operating just below stalled = RPM. A turbo is installed but no boost was used in the test. No = attempt was made to operate at minimum BSFC. > > > > Steve Boese > > -- > > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > > Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >=20 >=20 > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html