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I note all the grief that is going back and = forward and sympathise with you all. I had trouble with mine way back, = sent it back to Tracy and it took 3 months before I saw it again. = Decided then that this was not a good way to go as Tracy was semi = retired then already. Tracy to me was absolutely brilliant in what he = did, but that was 40 years ago?? So I bought a fueltech unit which is = current technology but very dear compared to Tracy=E2=80=99s ECM. I = have not regretted this purchase. The engine log can be emailed for = support and within 24 hours you are fixed up. Then I am totally = computer illiterate, so unable to fix anything like that myself, so I = pay as usual. =20 Neil. =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft =20 Sent: Friday, June 19, 2020 2:10 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC3 software for Renesis RX-8/LS2 coils fixed = and uploaded =20 Hi Bobby, Actually Tracy does have a few new EC3 boards. I didn't ask how many. The hot question really is how big is the demand (quantity)? I probably have enough data from him (schematics, parts lists, PCB = layout) to get a production run done. Tracy is serious about having retired. I was really, really lucky to get = his help. I think a big reason for his decision to retire is to have time to enjoy = life. I think the majority of his time before his retirement was spent = on support (phone, emails). He really has no economic incentive to come out of retirement. So while we could get a production run done, I doubt anyone would be = willing to spend time on support -- certainly not for new installations. = Also the variety of engines, accessories and specialized programming for = some installations would make it a nightmare to program the chips. = Solution for that would probably be to read the working chips for your = installation and then program the new chips with that, but then some = would not get the latest features (closed loop, auto program using EC3 = w/o EM). I thought I might take it on, but having second thoughts :) Will probably be a few days before I'm ready to roll the fuselage out of = the hangar and do engine runs. Finn On 6/18/2020 10:18 AM, Bobby J. Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net = wrote: Thanks Finn. I downloaded the files and notes. Once you are confident = the hardware and software works properly we might consider a onetime = production run of EC3=E2=80=99s for existing EC2/3 owners. I would like = to have a tested spare available. It would likely take Tracy=E2=80=99s = involvement to facilitate the board build or at least provided the = suppler information and proper Rev number.=20 =20 I really appreciate the work you, Steve Izett and Steve B. are doing.=20 =20 Bobby =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 6:11 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] EC3 software for Renesis RX-8/LS2 coils fixed and = uploaded =20 Here it is: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1mVzPOxUwcGUlPizxnRF40nUyKBzfT4DC?= usp=3Dsharing It's EC3closedloop.zip. You may want to grab it now in case Google decides to close my account = :) You can program the 18F452 chips directly using the EC3CL8.HEX file, or = open EC3ClosedLoop.mcp in MPLAB IDE, compile and program. This is for = RX-8 (EC3 engine type A8), LS2 coils (D585), large secondary injectors, = default is wide band O2 sensor. Turns out Tracy has never programmed or delivered an EC3 for Renesis = with LS2 coils. Software was missing code to load LS2 coils dwell time. I added Steve's code for configuration bits so don't have to remember = what to set them to when programming. I set all protection bits to zero to avoid any chip reprogramming = troubles, but you could change to: ; CONFIG6L CONFIG WRT0 =3D ON ; Write Protection bit (Block 0 = (000200-001FFFh) write protected) Finn ENG EQU 0xA8 ;PUT ENGINE TYPE CODE HERE AND CHECK = **** ALL **** FLAGS BELOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! =20 N109TC EQU 0x00 ;N109TC USES A DIFFERENT assignment of coil = drivers CLEAR for ALL except N109TC !!!!! and KERMIT unit 20B = controllers DIAG EQU 0x00 ;DIAG =3D=3D1 ALLOWS DIAGNOSTIC USE OF 02H&L ; ***************** CHECK ALL FLAGS BEFORE PROGRAM MING CHIPS = !!!!! ************************************************** ; *************** DWELL TIME FLAGS *SET ONLY ONE* = *********************************************** RX8COIL EQU 0x00 ;1=3D 2.6MS DWELL TIME (RX-8 COIL) RX7COIL EQU 0x00 ;1=3D 3.5MS DWELL TIME USED (also used = for A7 2007 option)=20 LS1COIL EQU 0x00 ;1=3D 4.3 MS DWELL USED=20 HONDACOIL EQU 0x00 ;1=3D 1.7 MS DWELL (A REALLY = TINY COIL) LS2COIL EQU 0x01 ;1=3D 4.0 MS DWELL =20 =20 TURBO EQU 0x00 ;0 =3D NA, 1 =3D TURBO VERSION (BIT = 0 SET IN ECINFO IF TRUE) BFACTOR EQU D'20' ;BOOST RETARD FOR IGNITION TIMING = lower value =3D more boost retard (25 IS USED FOR MOST ROTARY 20 on = 03-05-09, LGSEC EQU 0x01 ;0 =3D PRI & SEC INJECTORS SAME SIZE 1 = =3D LARGER SECONDARY INJECTORS (RENESIS 4 port) WIDEBAND EQU 0x01 ;0 =3D NARROWBAND O2 SENSOR IN USE, 1 =3D = WIDEBAND SENSOR IN USE. TEMPSENSOR EQU 0x00 ;0 =3D THERMISTOR, 1 =3D LM34 MAPSENSOR EQU 0x00 ;0 =3D MPX4250 SENSOR, 1 =3D MPX4115 = (EARLIER VERSION OF EC2 ONLY) BUSENSOR EQU 0x00 ;0 =3D NO BACKUP SENSOR, 1 =3D BACKUP = INSTALLED (0xA8,0xA9,AB,AD,B1,B2,B4 0-200 ENGINE ONLY) BREW EQU 0x00 ;0 =3D SET TO 1 FOR 3RD GEN 13BREW = ENGINES : COMPENSATES FOR 5 DEG EARLIER 3RD GEN TIMING OF CAS ONEINJ EQU 0x00 ;0 =3D NORMAL 2 INJECTOR PER ROTOR 1 = =3D 1 INJ PER ROTOR (NOT RECOMMENDED) CONT EQU 0x00 ;0 =3D NORMAL 0xA9 ENGINE, 1 =3D = CONTINENTAL/Lyc VARIENT (also sets bu at 18 geg before primary) EMT EQU 0x00 ;0 =3D A9 W/ TRIG @ 6 DEG ATDC 1 =3D = TDC @ TOOTH 11 (ELECTROMOTIVE TIMING SPEC) also sets BU at 180 deg A72007 EQU 0x00 ;0 =3D PRE 2005 SUBE EJ25 1 =3D 2005 = OR LATER EJ25 W/ RX-8 TYPE CAS =20 WTF EQU 0x00 ;0 =3D normal version 1 =3D BRAT - AKA - = WhatTheFuck project version with transmission control functions =20 TBINJ EQU 0x00 ;1=3D THROTTLE BODY INJECTION FLAG=20 LS2_60_2 EQU 0x00 ;1=3D LS2 ENGINE EQUIPPED W/60-2 TOOTH = TRIGGER WHEEL (USE ENG CODE 0xAB) =20 Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is = confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others = authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby = notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in = relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and = may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been = automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a = Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for = your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and = compliance. To find out more Click Here = . =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01D64610.99121B10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Re Tracy ECM.

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I note all the grief that is going back and = forward and sympathise with you all.=C2=A0 I had trouble with mine way = back, sent it back to Tracy and it took 3 months before I saw it = again.=C2=A0 Decided then that this was not a good way to go as Tracy = was semi retired then already.=C2=A0 Tracy to me was absolutely = brilliant in what he did, but that was 40 years ago??=C2=A0 So I bought = a fueltech unit which is current technology but very dear compared to = Tracy=E2=80=99s ECM.=C2=A0 I have not regretted this purchase.=C2=A0 The = engine log can be emailed for support and within 24 hours you are fixed = up.=C2=A0 Then I am totally computer illiterate, so unable to fix = anything like that myself, so I pay as usual.=C2=A0 =

Neil.

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> =
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2020 2:10 AM
To: Rotary = motors in aircraft = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = EC3 software for Renesis RX-8/LS2 coils fixed and = uploaded

 

Hi = Bobby,

Actually Tracy does have a few new EC3 boards. I didn't = ask how many.

The hot question really is how big is the demand = (quantity)?

I probably have enough data from him (schematics, = parts lists, PCB layout) to get a production run done.

Tracy is = serious about having retired. I was really, really lucky to get his = help.

I think a big reason for his decision to retire is to have = time to enjoy life. I think the majority of his time before his = retirement was spent on support (phone, emails).

He really has no = economic incentive to come out of retirement.

So while we could = get a production run done, I doubt anyone would be willing to spend time = on support -- certainly not for new installations. Also the variety of = engines, accessories and specialized programming for some installations = would make it a nightmare to program the chips. Solution for that would = probably be to read the working chips for your installation and then = program the new chips with that, but then some would not get the latest = features (closed loop, auto program using EC3 w/o EM).

I thought = I might take it on, but having second thoughts :)

Will probably = be a few days before I'm ready to roll the fuselage out of the hangar = and do engine runs.

Finn

On 6/18/2020 10:18 AM, Bobby J. = Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net = wrote:

Thanks Finn. I downloaded the files and notes. Once you are confident = the hardware and software works properly we might consider a onetime = production run of EC3=E2=80=99s for existing EC2/3 owners. I would like = to have a tested spare available. It would likely take Tracy=E2=80=99s = involvement to facilitate the board build or at least provided the = suppler information and proper Rev number.

 

I really appreciate the work you, Steve Izett and Steve B. are doing. =

 

Bobby

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironlin= e.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 6:11 = PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: = [FlyRotary] EC3 software for Renesis RX-8/LS2 coils fixed and = uploaded

 

Here it = is:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1mVzPOxUwcG= UlPizxnRF40nUyKBzfT4DC?usp=3Dsharing
It's = EC3closedloop.zip.

You may want to grab it now in case Google = decides to close my account :)

You can program the 18F452 chips = directly using the EC3CL8.HEX file, or open EC3ClosedLoop.mcp in MPLAB = IDE, compile and program. This is for RX-8 (EC3 engine type A8), LS2 = coils (D585), large secondary injectors, default is wide band O2 = sensor.

Turns out Tracy has never programmed or delivered an EC3 = for Renesis with LS2 coils.
Software was missing code to load LS2 = coils dwell time.

I added Steve's code for configuration bits so = don't have to remember what to set them to when programming.
I set = all protection bits to zero to avoid any chip reprogramming troubles, = but you could change to:


; =
CONFIG6L
  CONFIG  WRT0 =3D =
ON            =
; ; Write Protection bit (Block 0 (000200-001FFFh) write =
protected)

Finn

ENG    =         EQU    = 0xA8      ;PUT ENGINE TYPE CODE HERE AND CHECK = **** ALL **** FLAGS BELOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  =

N109TC        EQU = 0x00    ;N109TC USES A DIFFERENT assignment of coil = drivers  CLEAR for ALL except N109TC !!!!! and KERMIT = unit   20B controllers

DIAG    =     EQU 0x00        ;DIAG = =3D=3D1 ALLOWS DIAGNOSTIC USE OF 02H&L

;  = *****************     CHECK ALL FLAGS BEFORE PROGRAM = MING CHIPS  !!!!!   = **************************************************

;   = ***************    DWELL TIME FLAGS   *SET ONLY = ONE*      = ***********************************************

RX8COIL  = ;      EQU    0x00    =     ;1=3D 2.6MS DWELL TIME  (RX-8 = COIL)
RX7COIL        EQU = 0x00        ;1=3D 3.5MS DWELL TIME = USED   (also used for A7 2007 option) =
LS1COIL        EQU    = 0x00        ;1=3D 4.3 MS DWELL USED =
HONDACOIL    EQU 0x00    =     ;1=3D 1.7 MS DWELL    =         (A REALLY TINY = COIL)
LS2COIL        = EQU    0x01        = ;1=3D 4.0 MS DWELL       

  =
TURBO        EQU    = 0x00        ;0 =3D NA, 1 =3D TURBO VERSION =     (BIT 0 SET IN ECINFO IF = TRUE)
BFACTOR        = EQU    D'20'        ;BOOST = RETARD FOR IGNITION TIMING  lower value =3D more boost retard (25 = IS USED FOR MOST ROTARY 20 on 03-05-09,
LGSEC    =     EQU    0x01    =     ;0 =3D PRI & SEC INJECTORS SAME SIZE  1 =3D = LARGER SECONDARY INJECTORS (RENESIS 4 = port)
WIDEBAND    EQU 0x01    =     ;0 =3D NARROWBAND O2 SENSOR IN USE, 1 =3D WIDEBAND = SENSOR IN USE.
TEMPSENSOR    EQU    = 0x00        ;0 =3D THERMISTOR, 1 =3D = LM34
MAPSENSOR    EQU    = 0x00        ;0 =3D MPX4250 SENSOR, 1 =3D = MPX4115 (EARLIER VERSION OF EC2 ONLY)
BUSENSOR    = EQU    0x00        ;0 =3D = NO BACKUP SENSOR, 1 =3D BACKUP INSTALLED (0xA8,0xA9,AB,AD,B1,B2,B4 0-200 = ENGINE ONLY)
BREW        = EQU    0x00        ;0 =3D = SET TO 1 FOR 3RD GEN 13BREW ENGINES :  COMPENSATES FOR 5 DEG = EARLIER 3RD GEN TIMING OF CAS
ONEINJ    =     EQU    0x00    =     ;0 =3D NORMAL 2 INJECTOR PER ROTOR  1 =3D 1 INJ = PER ROTOR  (NOT RECOMMENDED)
CONT    =     EQU    0x00    =     ;0 =3D NORMAL 0xA9 ENGINE, 1 =3D CONTINENTAL/Lyc = VARIENT (also sets bu at 18 geg before primary)
EMT    =         EQU    = 0x00        ;0 =3D A9 W/ TRIG @ 6 DEG = ATDC   1 =3D TDC @ TOOTH 11 (ELECTROMOTIVE TIMING SPEC) also = sets BU at 180 deg
A72007        = EQU    0x00        ;0 =3D = PRE 2005 SUBE EJ25   1 =3D 2005 OR LATER EJ25 W/ RX-8 TYPE = CAS          =
WTF         EQU = 0x00        ;0 =3D normal version  1 = =3D BRAT  - AKA - WhatTheFuck project version with transmission = control functions        =

TBINJ        EQU    = 0x00        ;1=3D THROTTLE BODY INJECTION = FLAG
LS2_60_2    EQU    = 0x00        ;1=3D LS2 ENGINE EQUIPPED = W/60-2 TOOTH TRIGGER WHEEL  (USE ENG CODE 0xAB)

 

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