Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #65866
From: Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: EC Staging Point
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 05:57:15 +0800
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Thanks Jeff for finding this. Much appreciated.
Steve

> On 16 Jun 2020, at 3:53 am, Jeff Whaley jwhaley@datacast.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>
> Excellent question - many have scratched heads over the Archive Search.  The attached photo shows what you get back from a "Boese" search / no Filter.  Which looks like a lot of post from either Boese or posts that have his name in them ...
> I just did another search for "Staging" / no filter ... way down the list is a post from Steve titled Tuning ... here's what's inside - read it all and rehash:
> Jeff
>
>
>
> The following assumes that there are no problems with CAS or ignition:
>
> After setting the controller back to all default program values and depending on the update version of your controller, the following excerpt from archive message #54156 of Mar 6, 2011 may be of interest:
>
> "
> The tuning procedure then becomes the same whether the primary and secondary injector flow rates are different or identical:
>
> a.  Set the staging threshold at a MAP corresponding to the high end of the primary injector flow limit using mode 7.  (For 40 lb injectors, about 20" MAP works well.)
>
> b.  Adjust Mode 3 to get a mid scale O2 sensor reading at a MAP just below the staging threshold MAP.
>
> c.  Adjust mode 6 to get a mid scale O2 sensor reading at a MAP just above the staging threshold MAP.
>
> d.  Adjust mode 2 for best operation at minimum idle MAP.
>
> e.  Adjust the mixture table throughout the useable MAP range using mode 1 or 9 to keep the O2 sensor reading mid scale.  (To be honest, I skip step "e" and simply use the manual mixture control to adjust the mixture in cruise.) "
>
> Steve Boese
> RV6A 1986 13B NA RD1A EC2
>
>
> From: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> on behalf of steve Izett <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 4:11 PM
> To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Tuning
>
> Thanks Jeff
> I thought everything was zero'ed since last program but I'll go through and reset all settings.
> I thought given the parameters set at chip program such as RX8, Staging Point and Large Secondaries I wouldn't need to play with timing or with Mode 6.
> But I'll go through all of them now.
>
> So my todo will be:
> 1. Full reset of EC2 parameters
> 2. Setup timing and check for ?deg @?RPM 3. Set Mode 3 Inj Flow Rate 4. Set Mode 2 Dynamic Range 5. Set Mode 6 Sec Inj Differential 6. Go to WOT and check adjust mixture
>
> A couple more questions for you guys:
> 1. What plugs are all you other guys using? Do I have some good options?
> 2. Remind me how to set eccentric at TDC?
> 3. Sounds like EC2's advance curve is not flat, what advance setting for what RPM for stock Renesis 4-port?
> 4. I can't seem to find the command for a global reset the EC2, do I need to reset each mode to default, I seem to remember reading of a global reset?
> 5. Tracy, if your around at present, can you confirm any special quirks for our 4-port or general tuning?
>
> Thanks everyone.
> Much appreciated.
>
> Steve Izett
>
>
>
> I'll then check the staging point is at 15.5"
>
>> On 7 Jan 2016, at 3:22 AM, Jeff Whaley <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>>
>> Steve:
>> First confirm your timing as per Lynn's comments.
>> Did you start with every mode set to ZERO? 1 through 9?? Mixture knob in center???
>> Your fuel map is 128 bins wide x 256 bins high as in an X/Y graph, with ZERO settings on the vertical scale.
>> My map is displayed with Ed's EFISM and is 0 to 256 on the vertical scale; I think Tracy's EM displays it as -128 to +128.
>> After setting Mode 3 and Mode 2, all your settings should still read either 0 or 128.
>> At this point, your fuel flow is based on 23" MP and 0 or 128 fuel value.
>> I would expect as you open the throttle that more fuel will be required at 30" MP Vs 23" - has always been true with my engine.
>> Have you confirmed that you actually have a staging-point; i.e., where the injectors flip from just PRI to both PRI and SEC? - Very important to confirm where it is.
>> Confirm both Timing and Staging; repeat Modes 3 and 2 then use Mode 1 to tune fuel bin value at WOT.
>> Jeff
>>
>> From:
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>> steve Izett <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
>> Subject:
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>> Tuning
>> Date:
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>> Wed, 6 Jan 2016 07:51:48 +0800
>> To:
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>> Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
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>> Hi Guys
>> Could I get some feedback on process and my thinking here.
>> I'm seeking to tune in our EC2 Renesis 4 port with Elec adjustable
>> prop
>>
>>
>> Steps so far (can only run for 15mins before overheating) OAT is
>> presently 33-40C 91-104F Prop set course
>>
>> 1. EC2 Injector and Coil diagnostics all good 2. With 2 squirts she
>> starts well after approx 2-3 revs of the starter.
>> 3. Run her up to ~23" and adjusted Injector Flow Rate - Mode #3 for
>> approx Lamba of 1 on Wide Band 4. Set Idle of approx 1200RPM Adjusted Injection Dynamic Range - Mode #2 for same.
>>
>> All OK to this point. Adjustments made in Mode #2 and #3 of EC2 reflect clearly on Wideband O2.
>> Switching between A and B computers makes no difference.
>>
>> Now opening throttle up gets us to approx 5000 rpm (course Prop) but
>> its missing as more power comes on and is quite severe. (Not missing
>> now and then, but constant) Selecting between A and B computers
>> (Backup CAS) makes no difference)
>>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Whaley
> Sent: June-15-20 8:37 AM
> To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] EC Staging Point
>
> Hi Steve, yes the original Staging Point was around 15" of MP but in later EC2's and EC3's Tracy moved or recommended it up to about 20" ...
> Steve Boese wrote a simplified tuning method based on this increased Staging Point ... check the archives.
> Mine was originally 15.5" and is now 19.5".
> Jeff
>
> Hi Guys
>
> I did some work on the EC2 last weekend to begin to calibrate the fuel flow (Renesis 4 port with standard injectors) The first thing I noted waa the Staging Point in near 20" hg.
> My recollection is that in the default EC3 Staging Point is ~15.5"hg.
> Can any of you comment on your experiences with this?
>
> Thanks
> Steve Izett
>
>
> OK. How do you search the archive effectively? I've spent hours trying to find stuff.
> What does the filter provide?
> I thought the search: was for the key search "word" eg. Tuning.
> But how do I look at all Steve Boese's posts etc?
>
> Sorry if this is a dumb question.
> I'm looking for any updated tuning guide.
>
> Cheers
>
> Steve
> <Boese Search.jpg>--
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