X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=LuPsNUVc c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=9dl6UD1qclNxj5Zg0DxZBA==:117 a=78ZBOurIltGArAP38PhPfg==:17 a=sTwFKg_x9MkA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=0VwEsJaNAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=Kd_5_uFbAAAA:8 a=aFw6coGkAAAA:8 a=bH8ZylL6AAAA:8 a=IlB4L0mVAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=6bOVQEckAAAA:8 a=tGHenzc5W1Kmm0DE_EEA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=gvSQh4r-fQ0A:10 a=jThZ7_-JAAAA:8 a=AzETeI4-XrtiAOl_o5oA:9 a=eEgY8tKTYtFhCGEL:21 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=Kdq08r5Ui8LhqwAuGyrv:22 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=yjh9tsFuLW9EahD-uj2O:22 a=5uw8lWBZqvJ0p39jA3ZM:22 a=DARs5Kqs276YIGFW_g6k:22 a=Jjm8KwZRwwFklJn-Oh53:22 a=grOzbf7U_OpcSX4AJOnl:22 a=uh7hH79rPqN6_WMznId0:22 a=NVbvhy2gKIdozzgvQOKv:22 From: "Bobby J. Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net" Received: from us-smtp-delivery-128.mimecast.com ([63.128.21.128] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.14) with ESMTPS id 241894 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 15 May 2020 09:48:14 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=63.128.21.128; envelope-from=bhughes@qnsi.net Received: from mail.qnsi.net (207-91-159-27.nstci.net [207.91.159.27]) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP id us-mta-134-WNHkpI-HNsGy6L1uXqd0DQ-1; Fri, 15 May 2020 09:47:53 -0400 X-MC-Unique: WNHkpI-HNsGy6L1uXqd0DQ-1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Return-Receipt-To: "Bobby J. Hughes" MIME-Version: 1.0 Disposition-Notification-To: "Bobby J. Hughes" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Water Pump Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 08:47:52 -0500 Message-ID: <74120FDE88CAFE4DBDA8814BCE20A3F30153865C@qnsi-mail.qnsi.net> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [FlyRotary] Re: Water Pump Thread-Index: AdYqsCd+9ocaZd9GQm2+SDkL9ncUiAADaPQQ References: To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: qnsi.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01D62ABF.6E485C94" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01D62ABF.6E485C94 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steve, =20 I didn't see any reason to replace the stock 2004 water pump. An aftermarket impeller / pump is available but the car forums indicate many have failed in a short period of time. https://shop.mazmart.com/en/rx8-re-medy-high-flow-water-pump I used an underdrive main pulley from the beginning. Unorthodox Racing I believe. =20 Bobby From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20 Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 6:58 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Water Pump =20 Thanks Todd. Enjoyed your reply. Thanks a heap. Has anyone got definitive knowledge re the 2004 renesis 13b water pump.=20 Is there a replacement with significantly better flow or lower cavitation that I should retrofit to maximise cooling capacity? Steve > On 15 May 2020, at 6:28 pm, Todd Bartrim bartrim@gmail.com wrote: >=20 > Well, I gotta admit that I'm a stubborn SOB. and way back when, another stubborn SOB whom I shouldn't name, but his initials are Paul Lamar.... was adamant that no way ever on God's green earth would an electric water water pump have any hope of cooling anything bigger than a lawnmower. So basically... it was challenge accepted!=20 > Now at the time there was another Ozzie frequenting this list by the name of Leon Promet who had some rotary racing experience and was a big proponent of the EWP. (RIP Leon) But he was also a great talker and an entertaining fellow whom I enjoyed reading his many post on varied aspects of rotary engines. The EWP also promised a solution to a few other issues that were certainly not insurmountable, such as clearance for the mechanical water pump which usually resulted in an unsightly and draggy cowl bump. At the time, that seemed like something I wanted to avoid, due to drag and all that $%^* but after figuring out that I never should've built an iAirplane like all the other latte sucking so called experimenters out there, I started to realize that a Van's RV, while it is a great design and is perfect for many, many assemblers out there, it's probably not the plane I should've built. Don't get me wrong, it's a great plane and lot's of fun, but it's not really the plane I should be flying. The attached picture shows the automotive equivalent to my airplane. > Anyways, at the end of the day, I've got a fast airframe with big draggy bushwheels, that while not quite a STOL plane can still cruise sorta fast, blah, blah, blah, blah..... > So anyways, I like it, I think the EWP is a great idea and it does work. And I'm an experimenter. Enough said. >=20 > Todd Bartrim (I should've went to bed instead of pouring a rum and answering that email.... ) >=20 >=20 > On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:20 AM Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: > Hi Todd. What was the logic behind the choice to go with an electric water pump. > Was it concerns over cavitation at high rpm or as a backup. > Sorry if this has already been talked through. >=20 > Steve Izett >=20 > > On 15 May 2020, at 3:40 pm, Todd Bartrim bartrim@gmail.com wrote: > >=20 > > Yup, just the stock wheel. the turbo is an Hitachi 18S-2S. I still think you should take LeRoux up on his offer of that turbo. You could either modify the turbo manifold or use it to model a custom made manifold. Either way would likely be easier than trying to fit an aftermarket turbo. There was not a stock Renesis turbo so you're not gonna find anything easier. > > There's always something like this https://www.rx8performance.com/products/rx-8performanceturbokit and it doesn't look too complicated, or heavy, or expensive..... nahh, I'd still find a way to attach that old gen turbo to your Renesis.=20 > > I'm using the Davies Craig EWP130 https://daviescraig.com/product/ewp130-12v-130lpm34gpm-remote-electric-w ater-pump-8180/ewp130-electric-water-pump-alloy-12v-8180 =20 > >=20 > > Todd Bartrim (rebuilding a water pump right now, but it's a well water pump) > >=20 > >=20 > > On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 3:20 PM 12348ung@gmail.com wrote: > > Todd, > >=20 > > Are you running the standard hot section turbine wheel? Do you have the hitachi RX7 turbo? 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Steve,

 

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>I didn’t see any reason to replace the sto= ck 2004 water pump. An aftermarket impeller / pump is available but the car= forums indicate many have failed in a short period of time.  <= a href=3D"https://shop.mazmart.com/en/rx8-re-medy-high-flow-water-pump">htt= ps://shop.mazmart.com/en/rx8-re-medy-high-flow-water-pump &= nbsp;        I  used an underdrive = main pulley from the beginning. Unorthodox Racing I believe.

 

Bobby

Fr= om: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
<= b>Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 6:58 AM
To: Rotary motors in air= craft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Water Pump

 

Th= anks Todd.
Enjoyed your reply. Thanks a heap.

Has anyone got defi= nitive knowledge re the 2004 renesis 13b water pump.
Is there a replace= ment with significantly better flow or lower cavitation that I should retro= fit to maximise cooling capacity?

Steve

> On 15 May 2020, = at 6:28 pm, Todd Bartrim bartrim@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net&= gt; wrote:
>
> Well, I gotta admit that I'm a stubborn SOB. an= d way back when, another stubborn SOB whom I shouldn't name, but his initia= ls are Paul Lamar.... was adamant that no way ever on God's green earth wou= ld an electric water water pump have any hope of cooling anything bigger th= an a lawnmower. So basically... it was challenge accepted!
> Now at = the time there was another Ozzie frequenting this list by the name of Leon = Promet who had some rotary racing experience and was a big proponent of the= EWP. (RIP Leon) But he was also a great talker and an entertaining fellow = whom I enjoyed reading his many post on varied aspects of rotary engines. T= he EWP also promised a solution to a few other issues that were certainly n= ot insurmountable, such as clearance for the mechanical water pump which us= ually resulted in an unsightly and draggy cowl bump. At the time, that seem= ed like something I wanted to avoid, due to drag and all that $%^* but afte= r figuring out that I never should've built an iAirplane like all the other= latte sucking so called experimenters out there, I started to realize that= a Van's RV, while it is a great design and is perfect for many, many assem= blers out there, it's probably not the plane I should've built. Don't get m= e wrong, it's a great plane and lot's of fun, but it's not really the plane= I should be flying. The attached picture shows the automotive equivalent t= o my airplane.
> Anyways, at the end of the day, I've got a fast airf= rame with big draggy bushwheels, that while not quite a STOL plane can stil= l cruise sorta fast, blah, blah, blah, blah.....
> So anyways, I like= it, I think the EWP is a great idea and it does work. And I'm an experimen= ter. Enough said.
>
> Todd Bartrim (I should've went to bed in= stead of pouring a rum and answering that email.... )
>
>
= > On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:20 AM Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
> Hi Todd. What was the lo= gic behind the choice to go with an electric water pump.
> Was it con= cerns over cavitation at high rpm or as a backup.
> Sorry if this has= already been talked through.
>
> Steve Izett
>
>= > On 15 May 2020, at 3:40 pm, Todd Bartrim bartrim@gmail.com <flyrot= ary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
> >
> > Yup, just the s= tock wheel. the turbo is an Hitachi 18S-2S. I still think you should take L= eRoux up on his offer of that turbo. You could either modify the turbo mani= fold or use it to model a custom made manifold. Either way would likely be = easier than trying to fit an aftermarket turbo. There was not a stock Renes= is turbo so you're not gonna find anything easier.
> > There's alw= ays something like this https://www.rx8performance.com/products/rx-8perfor= manceturbokit and it doesn't look too complicated, or heavy, or expensi= ve..... nahh, I'd still find a way to attach that old gen turbo to your Ren= esis.
> > I'm using the Davies Craig EWP130 https://daviescraig.com/produc= t/ewp130-12v-130lpm34gpm-remote-electric-water-pump-8180/ewp130-electric-wa= ter-pump-alloy-12v-8180
> >
> > Todd Bartrim (rebuil= ding a water pump right now, but it's a well water pump)
> >
&= gt; >
> > On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 3:20 PM 12348ung@gmail.com &= lt;flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
> > Todd,
> > <= br>> > Are you running the standard hot section turbine wheel? Do you= have the hitachi RX7 turbo? Also what model water pump did you use??
&g= t; >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Neil.
> >= ;
>
>
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