X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=H+OlPNQi c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=lzyYwe5M4d3HUkW6tLz3qg==:117 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=Fee85h93u3AA:10 a=MeAgGD-zjQ4A:10 a=pILbzFmIx2cA:10 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=GH1TdVxLZSGNunxRZSoA:9 a=CCGnWds9218_DwuR:21 a=RRT82zp9sRZAsUdv:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=gvSQh4r-fQ0A:10 a=zLMDfErk_EHtBvpeKdYA:9 a=CLTRcZ-9k3b8zTLE:21 a=M4XSjNKEsAyZ2E47:21 a=n_2sZGC0zyaZlL33:21 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=5YQ6H4ZxyGn-KoBYtt8s:22 a=grOzbf7U_OpcSX4AJOnl:22 a=pHzHmUro8NiASowvMSCR:22 a=nt3jZW36AmriUCFCBwmW:22 From: "lehanover lehanover@aol.com" Received: from sonic305-2.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com ([74.6.133.41] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.14) with ESMTPS id 13189741 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 10:36:05 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=74.6.133.41; envelope-from=lehanover@aol.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=aol.com; s=a2048; t=1574091348; bh=t24dpKn1PLhjCmaFgUiqLE+6IfFXz04ufxW+wkmluqo=; h=Date:From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=Ql9J5HIjOIKeIr8X2jtzH91tyc4+pKD48/ltM15WrLCPVu+0Xl0UrlNQ+CFtaWk+EioeyG6V7paOq4A/jUiCk9X+8yDXwnnm/v4KFVY1lpo0AUwJLyeobMAYS4/iHQ/ZKG56tV5CD+TnnkWcxPDhwN9bdQKfHxsaFa9rwB93ZwWckwoOeOMftrGerz0TRPopGy4euGfhLkhtqxKWK1jgenNuZ8V+UObVRqZ2m2w5vh1r3xKI1pfdbWcTqcSXJh0j7Sp1jYRncf7JYGj53c2mFMhBBRws/aRwPLVgbDtvxjfOUWEu6dYBfZ/5eWBUXoHdldogNec95d2nxZ8JsjGUuA== X-YMail-OSG: cPxpo54VM1n15vJsvPUiXBgFJyfK1JWOI01yV0JcNoQSy7ed7pdgrU9Tzr_YcIl clRoN3TfNSlsT8affR95sjoqDfzrwWmEbpi4Is.DIpFjhr8dLkogTkXtTHVqeR0CR194v53xfY5a nrXVM6BYBssuGFG1JLJk1pqyrphij7e8RFcRqAly6YvxFNQdtfqJ.58RTLK3DPkNqaXd04cZvXNT NbaIXIHzKPizQ_iViWM4JmVnU6wR_sE83ZlmWTrdpc5kmYZvc4zuA72JwOGqSFOnGakN06AiWDW1 mZ3PMX_WioO0a2S8cYD5E7Q9yfwY15Yo_7W8nWh38x3TTwEOsTcPg6VYpLlO2ss.2JV8n7_lhjbW 8txRdEDgqDsXu4LunJatWc3QUS9XExwwxFCnGsnOIZr3wVgz4C5OkZyHT9JhECMKm0uN4bUvlwua RQuxJK7Jb_E7fRFGUp5kdZkgfPxNd3huZEkoii7WYyWc7Odl5caWxIRiW1WRqx0ph78sIwS9rDjj VqmH1BQsPiBh76FScOuhcqvAoLU_BtB0jhfTJxXcoN6o2ggpZwH.rCtHSNm8zw7RWZEvx7jy.mZ5 Rs6KflK1_wy7rxbY6ml1mR8jhTVfpWG6U5.44q2EBk55Ze9EkOLNmZGcJQnQ146d.ICWuUI6W.EL AD4.M82lPN8IIk86Rl9WSRsl4s__njk9YeQUbG8hB7w4Yi8z0bltwWCC2PUW54x5SsXozCx_p7SF .nZoeZeflYScojVOuBX6brOUNOsQ8Umyt7JbswL1JJmOXz67LMebyaiam0YNEHAhWugIkAU1wS.Y l4Yo0tdRRiWwi0Vp_Xx3QsrJe24xF6T4bbKcOqZKRfWXj2NJmVngxZdb78lEEOwC0_dlBkamnP1t iqcC4HzkQsxelpPib2v16vNVMn6tqqW3sFmfPZOKP.aFxUoktJuFao8xq7V60znV8SMEOvzhN8Nk 9MK.2WLDbAil7kGmD4GG1eKDWgiheFrAS1zMUvxqP3j2vpx.i8_u_W7QwMtJDoUtTENUGCaVtDQ3 B8NkNd0St7q.18hv07Q29GIIBMSa3enSbGpfjLt4lFlc.oRoaoMP_RaTBMwbjrCNJyLBF_IgGBBl MiY78anBr5ziQzmZ1i6CBme2WZ.TglOXmP7HYxsPdT1rxgwzFMxzOKUOKJ64sY2XpL.o5gHilisK FBo3KGx58NJZFKXZ16LvoLhkd.E0vbKR4pfeX8IJzFRWkOQ9g_rTvdfWd1kQO12mo.Hv5mIHXXUj oqG4D8eWMTrJuA4rO5Zi6RFezaOuRJ72Jdxp87WvJJAGxd0sRC5VkCl0aR.dfJbXFN4uXZtA- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic305.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 15:35:48 +0000 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 15:35:42 +0000 (UTC) To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message-ID: <389901985.1193145.1574091342642@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: EGT Probe location in stock manifold MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1193144_1111560723.1574091342640" X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.14728 aolloki Apache-HttpClient/4.5.7 (Java/1.8.0_144) Content-Length: 9548 ------=_Part_1193144_1111560723.1574091342640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Engine builders like different locations. The object of the probe is to col= lect data on the combustion process inside the chamber. So, the ideal power= mixture is the highest temperature in general the same as a piston engine.= (It was running great just before the piston melted) So, more fuel or less= fuel than best power can both lower exhaust temps. So, one way or the othe= r (pick one) keep EGTs below 1650 and the probes last a long time. Stock ap= ex seals last longer as well. So the EGT gauge is nice to have rather than = trying to get chunks of apex seal out of a muffler. Even if you run ceramic= apex seals which will stand up to anything, however the exhaust system (ev= en stainless) will have a short life above 1700 degrees. I melted everythin= g there is to melt on the racer. I was a slow learner.3 inches out from the= port, on the outside of any curve...................Lynn E. Hanover =C2=A0 In a message dated 11/17/2019 8:49:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, flyrotary@l= ancaironline.net writes: Finn,=C2=A0 Not a stock manifold, made from 321 S/S.=C2=A0 Drilled in and w= elded boss for probes.=C2=A0 One each end as it came out from exhaust port = each end.=C2=A0 Neil. On 11/18/2019 9:31 AM, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net wrote:> Curious = how you could place them 4" from the port(s).>> The Renesis manifold has at= least two layers. Center ports? Outer ports?>> Finn>> On 11/17/2019 3:16 P= M, Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com wrote:>> finn,>>>> ???????????????????????= ??????????????? I put 2 EGT's in the standard >> position of 4 inches from = the port, and really there was no >> difference except that I kept burning = both off.?? Their usefulness, >> and one will do, is to regulate high temps= with either revs (lower) >> or a richer mix to lower the high EGT. 1800 de= grees F is quite warm >> and will test the exhaust system.?? The probe just= lets you know if >> you are wasting your time or actually achieving someth= ing.?? Once set >> up they are just another thing to worry about in my case= , so >> currently running without.>>>> Neil>>>> On 11/18/2019 4:16 AM, Finn= Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net wrote:>>> For those of you that are using t= he stock manifold, where/how did >>> you locate the EGT probes?>>>>>> With = an O2 sensor, I'm not sure that a single EGT probe has much >>> usefulness.= However, one for each rotor would give indication of >>> mixture imbalance= between the two rotors.>>>>>> Finn>>>>>>>>> -- >>> Homepage:?? http://www.= flyrotary.com/>>> Archive and UnSub: >>> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/l= ists/flyrotary/List.html>>>> -- >> Homepage:?? http://www.flyrotary.com/>> = Archive and UnSub: >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List= .html>>>>> -- > Homepage:=C2=A0 http://www.flyrotary.com/> Archive and UnSu= b: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html --Homepage:=C2=A0 http://www.flyrotary.com/Archive and UnSub:=C2=A0 http://= mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------=_Part_1193144_1111560723.1574091342640 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Engine builders like different locations. The object of the probe is to collect data on the combustion process inside the chamber. So, the ideal power mixture is the highest temperature in general the same as a piston engine. (It was running great just before the piston melted) So, more fuel or less fuel than best power can both lower exhaust temps. So, one way or the other (pick one) keep EGTs below 1650 and the probes last a long time. Stock apex seals last longer as well. So the EGT gauge is nice to have rather than trying to get chunks of apex seal out of a muffler. Even if you run ceramic apex seals which will stand up to anything, however the exhaust system (even stainless) will have a short life above 1700 degrees. I melted everything there is to melt on the racer. I was a slow learner.
3 inches out from the port, on the outside of any curve...................Lynn E. Hanover


 

In a message dated 11/17/2019 8:49:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes:

Finn,  Not a stock manifold, made from 321 S/S.  Drilled in and welded
boss for probes.  One each end as it came out from exhaust port each
end.  Neil.

On 11/18/2019 9:31 AM, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net wrote:
> Curious how you could place them 4" from the port(s).
>
> The Renesis manifold has at least two layers. Center ports? Outer ports?
>
> Finn
>
> On 11/17/2019 3:16 PM, Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com wrote:
>> finn,
>>
>> ?????????????????????????????????????? I put 2 EGT's in the standard
>> position of 4 inches from the port, and really there was no
>> difference except that I kept burning both off.?? Their usefulness,
>> and one will do, is to regulate high temps with either revs (lower)
>> or a richer mix to lower the high EGT. 1800 degrees F is quite warm
>> and will test the exhaust system.?? The probe just lets you know if
>> you are wasting your time or actually achieving something.?? Once set
>> up they are just another thing to worry about in my case, so
>> currently running without.
>>
>> Neil
>>
>> On 11/18/2019 4:16 AM, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net wrote:
>>> For those of you that are using the stock manifold, where/how did
>>> you locate the EGT probes?
>>>
>>> With an O2 sensor, I'm not sure that a single EGT probe has much
>>> usefulness. However, one for each rotor would give indication of
>>> mixture imbalance between the two rotors.
>>>
>>> Finn
>>>
>>>
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