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To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114b446e14f8fc056380375d" --001a114b446e14f8fc056380375d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Will, Well if you find your engine isn't rebuildable get in touch. I'm doing some FEA on the design, but ready to finalize it. Should be great. I need to set spacing between the flywheel and "bellhousing". We have designed for headroom above 400 HP. My regular job has had me out of town for almost 5 weeks. Makes progress slow, but I'm getting there. If I can keep the cost down I'm sure it will become the standard for Rotary conversions. Bill Jepson On Jan 23, 2018 10:40 PM, "william Aldridge willja67@hotmail.com" < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > Thanks Bill, > That cpi looks pretty good. For right now at least it's on my short list. > I've got a engine core that may or may not be useable, I'm about to start > tearing it down. So I'm a ways from needing the ignition system but want to > be ready and informed when the time comes. > > Btw i saw your post looking for engines to test mount your psru. How's > that coming? And i guess more appropriate to this thread what ignition > system are you running on the engine in this video: https://youtu.be/ > EfreUJt-Fsk > > Thanks, > > Will Aldridge > > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: "William Jepson wrjjrs@gmail.com" > Date: 1/23/18 3:56 PM (GMT-07:00) > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Simple bullet proof Ignition systems? > > Will, > Ross doesn't generally list Rotary engines in his catalog, but he isn't > against them. He has a injection that still lists rotary engines. To run > his ignition only you would likely need to get an aluminum e-shaft pulley > to install his magnets. He has his own Hall effect sensors. He used to sell > both ignition units and full EMS systems. Don't know if he is still doing > it individually. The advantage of his system is that he does do aircraft > stuff. His business has in fact gravitated towards aircraft since so many > cars now come with their own systems unless it is a full custom build they > often don't need an EMS. BTW I don't work for them or get anything for > recommending their products. I met Ross at Reno while crewing for a friend > on a Sport Class entry. Ross was providing an EMS for a very fast Questair > Venture running a turbo Lyc. Very good guy. A 4 cylinder unit with dual > plug coils will run the rotary just fine. The timing is the same, except > that the coil isn't wasting a spark in the exhaust, instead it is firing > both plugs on a single rotor. Ross' site still lists his "coil pack > ignition" for vehicles with mechanical injection or carburetors. > Bill > > On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 12:24 PM, william Aldridge willja67@hotmail.com < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > >> Looked over his site this morning and if i read It right there was only a >> fuel injection controller/ system, no ignition control. Out was here: >> http://www.sdsefi.com/prices.html >> >> If I'm reading that chart at the top of the page right he doesn't supply >> ignition systems for the rotary. >> >> >> >> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: "William Jepson wrjjrs@gmail.com" >> Date: 1/23/18 12:14 PM (GMT-07:00) >> To: Rotary motors in aircraft >> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Simple bullet proof Ignition systems? >> >> Guys, I don't know if he is still offering it but SDSEFI (Simple Digital >> Systems, www.SDSEFI.com) has both an ignition only system and a full >> engine management system that will work for a 13B. His system doesn't have >> split firing, but most people running a high performance rotary do both >> plugs at once anyway. He has a newer dual in one box system, FOR AIRCRAFT >> that could be run simultaneously to do a split fire and be fully redundant. >> Bill Jepson >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 6:08 AM, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net < >> flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: >> >>> Maybe someone out there has a RWS original ignition controller they want >>> to let go of. No programming required, uses 13-B standard pickup and >>> ignition coils. Of course you'll have to use carburetor(s). >>> >>> I have one, but really don't want to let go if it. Its simplicity is >>> nice if just want to get 13-B running. (All you have to do is set timing >>> and tune carburetors.) >>> >>> Finn >>> >>> On 1/22/2018 11:31 PM, william Aldridge willja67@hotmail.com wrote: >>> >>> I'm building a one off experimental, therefore, i need a simple bullet >>> proof Ignition system and am wondering what is currently available? I have >>> the 2007 version of Tracy's conversion manual in which he gives the option >>> of either using the stock distributor etc, or use a computerized ignition >>> system with stock or Chevy ls coils. >>> >>> To reiterate, since the airframe is unproven i only want to be worried >>> about flying the plane not the engine. It's a small plane the size that >>> would normally have 100hp installed (1200 lbs gross) so if I only have 150 >>> hp I'll still be doing good. In other words I'm willing to sacrifice a >>> little power for a lot of reliability and simplicity. >>> >>> I don't like the idea of the stock distributor, since there isn't much >>> room in the cowl and there's no redundancy. I also don't like the idea of >>> electronic ignition. I've read enough stories of lengthy battles to get the >>> computers to play nice with the engine and don't want to go that route. >>> Again simplicity and reliability at the expense of power and fuel >>> efficiency is what I'm after. Also planning on using a carb for the same >>> reason. I can always upgrade the engine later if i want. >>> >>> I figure there has to have been some other options come up in the last >>> 10 years. I used to subscribe to the other guys list, but don't know if any >>> of the ideas he put forth have merit. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Will Aldridge >>> >>> Ps my build thread on hba here: http://www.homebuiltairp >>> lanes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16831 >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone >>> >>> >>> >> > --001a114b446e14f8fc056380375d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Will,
Well if you find your engine isn&#= 39;t rebuildable get in touch. I'm doing some FEA on the design, but re= ady to finalize it. Should be great. I need to set spacing between the flyw= heel and "bellhousing". We have designed for headroom above 400 H= P.=C2=A0 My regular job has had me out of town for almost 5 weeks. Makes pr= ogress slow, but I'm getting there. If I can keep the cost down I'm= sure it will become the standard for Rotary conversions.

Bill Jepson

On Jan 23, 2018 10:4= 0 PM, "william Aldridge willja= 67@hotmail.com" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
Thanks Bill,=C2=A0
That cpi looks pretty good. For right now at least it's on my shor= t list.=C2=A0 I've got a engine core that may or may not be useable, I&= #39;m about to start tearing it down. So I'm a ways from needing the ig= nition system but want to be ready and informed when the time comes.=C2=A0

Btw i saw your post looking for engines to test mount your psru. How&#= 39;s that coming? And i guess more appropriate to this thread what ignition= system are you running on the engine in this video:=C2=A0https://youtu.be/EfreUJt-Fsk=

Thanks,=C2=A0

Will Aldridge=C2=A0



Sent from my Verizo= n, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
Date: 1/23/18 3:56 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Simple bullet proof Ignition systems?

Will,
Ross doesn't generally list Rotary engines in his catalog, but he = isn't against them. He has a injection that still lists rotary engines.= To run his ignition only you would likely need to get an aluminum e-shaft = pulley to install his magnets. He has his own Hall effect sensors. He used to sell both ignition units and full EMS = systems. Don't know if he is still doing it individually. The advantage= of his system is that he does do aircraft stuff. His business has in fact = gravitated towards aircraft since so many cars now come with their own systems unless it is a full custom build= they often don't need an EMS. BTW I don't work for them or get any= thing for recommending their products. I met Ross at Reno while crewing for= a friend on a Sport Class entry. Ross was providing an EMS for a very fast Questair Venture running a turbo Lyc. Ver= y good guy. A 4 cylinder unit with dual plug coils will run the rotary just= fine. The timing is the same, except that the coil isn't wasting a spa= rk in the exhaust, instead it is firing both plugs on a single rotor.=C2=A0 Ross' site still lists his "c= oil pack ignition" for vehicles with mechanical injection or carbureto= rs.
Bill

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 12:24 PM, william Aldrid= ge willja67@hotmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
Looked over his site this morning and if i read It right there was onl= y a fuel injection controller/ system,=C2=A0 no ignition control. Out was h= ere:=C2=A0h= ttp://www.sdsefi.com/prices.html

If I'm reading that chart at the top of the page right he doesn= 9;t supply ignition systems for the rotary.=C2=A0



Sent from my Verizo= n, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------
Date: 1/23/18 12:14 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Simple bullet proof Ignition systems?

Guys, I don't know if he is still offering it but SDSE= FI (Simple Digital Systems, www.SDSEFI.com) has= both an ignition only system and a full engine management system that will= work for a 13B. His system doesn't have split firing, but most people = running a high performance rotary do both plugs at once anyway. He has a newer dual in one box system, FOR AIRCRAFT = that could be run simultaneously to do a split fire and be fully redundant.
Bill Jepson=C2=A0
=C2=A0

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 6:08 AM, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>= wrote:
Maybe someone out there has a RWS original ignition c= ontroller they want to let go of. No programming required, uses 13-B standa= rd pickup and ignition coils. Of course you'll have to use carburetor(s).

I have one, but really don't want to let go if it. Its simplicity is ni= ce if just want to get 13-B running. (All you have to do is set timing and = tune carburetors.)

Finn

On 1/22/2018 11:31 PM, william Aldridge willja67@hotmail.com wrote:
=C2=A0I'm building a one off experimental, therefore, i need a sim= ple bullet proof Ignition system and am wondering what is currently availab= le?=C2=A0 I have the 2007 version of Tracy's conversion manual in which= he gives the option of either using the stock distributor etc, or use a computerized ignition system with stock or Chevy ls coils.= =C2=A0

To reiterate, since the airframe is unproven i only want to be worried= about flying the plane not the engine. It's a small plane the size tha= t would normally have 100hp installed (1200 lbs gross) so if I only have 15= 0 hp I'll still be doing good. In other words I'm willing to sacrifice a little power for a lot of reliability= and simplicity.=C2=A0

I don't like the idea of the stock distributor, since there isn= 9;t much room in the cowl and there's no redundancy. I also don't l= ike the idea of electronic ignition. I've read enough stories of length= y battles to get the computers to play nice with the engine and don't want to go that route. Again simplicity and reliabili= ty at the expense of power and fuel efficiency is what I'm after. Also = planning on using a carb for the same reason. I can always upgrade the engi= ne later if i want.=C2=A0

I figure there has to have been some other options come up in the last= 10 years. I used to subscribe to the other guys list, but don't know i= f any of the ideas he put forth have merit.=C2=A0

Thanks,=C2=A0
Will Aldridge=C2=A0




Sent from my Verizo= n, Samsung Galaxy smartphone




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