X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Ernest Christley" Received: from nm13-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([98.136.218.237] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.14) with ESMTPS id 9447252 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 09 Feb 2017 16:24:23 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.136.218.237; envelope-from=echristley@att.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1486675446; bh=61RlaJOHx2/+BO6pAS+OVwUzbRKD54AD/AnP2E+iG0c=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=3lk3TP+rziytlGE5OjJG13np1EH0gnZpTf5TRpIteNRNZXhWUapFh2U703lZCeSTFwxnVlU9aF0iSn0TP0V+N2vg7FnflEMsilZpccKDVAQ+PKdmQua5YYFWE2BJN4gXiWNOJsftwDN3gne2ZmgVGwIUZYuZU3FQC+mNv39S9II= Received: from [98.137.12.58] by nm13.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2017 21:24:06 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.241] by tm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2017 21:24:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1049.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2017 21:24:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 17299.98799.bm@omp1049.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: eZHBkr8VM1kEKjq51fBrsHkyF0F6iufzizeJDrkdNjQ7q8swAVyIcJVqtogbnAH PT.j1H62fNujxaoUE_KgqC2CLyFg54KU2.zGXumsyWf5boncWGDIj2XfWMXrWBLiVVHGklFnvk0S trqSgKUqVDOXN50qGZmiDLWJ8jTVNegx4xKE1oFVAo9tqqTpoFXmjEWwgfUqm1lCRAYD3.LDmJAk ZiRvW3kNOdqTnTrmIO.RvDbX_rOCESWO_ilrrWeDpUQQdaoegXZAIuzqnM2x8GwWOaAEB.wLuXWi 8F5tGfJK6c_idmZHWCwSfpQbbVbprzDE_17aeo4IQoEnSinnTouVYK6ARDVIVjrJ45RAiLy68e69 eBwec14Z.igaD2_8YRtNBRxoEyWwn83E854nTAs2UgsL2wOIhrrk2ACN313862LPCtwzconLja.c MNXXCwsbxNDXoAeQg3Yp3h5TMsK5jlwAIYCcILRtkh6qQmaljL57mZ0EVMIFS4y9dfTqfHJUp.lv S_Gc33SZgln9gnU46qRCPGnwsARlKs3br66rY0fXPkw-- Received: from jws300038.mail.gq1.yahoo.com by sendmailws134.mail.gq1.yahoo.com; Thu, 09 Feb 2017 21:24:05 +0000; 1486675445.647 Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:24:05 +0000 (UTC) Reply-To: Ernest Christley To: Rotary motors in aircraft Message-ID: <1456020917.2160752.1486675445456@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: SDS EFI MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2160751_540034612.1486675445451" Content-Length: 19856 ------=_Part_2160751_540034612.1486675445451 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill, I had mine configured for single control operation. =C2=A0The first h= alf of the lever opened the the throttle, while keeping fuel level near lea= n cut-off. =C2=A0The second half enriched the mixture. =C2=A0Don't try this= on a piston engine, but the rotary did it perfectly smooth =C2=A0:-) =20 On Thursday, February 9, 2017 4:05 PM, William Jepson wrote: =20 Thanks Tracy,I will revisit the Megasquirt system for sure. Do you know wh= o's injectors they are suggesting now? Do they have any way to provision fo= r leaning? Wide range O2? Ross at SDS looked like my only low cost option t= hese days. Bill On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 12:07 PM, rwstracy wro= te: Hi Bill, I agree with all you said there about what the alt-engine builder = faces.=C2=A0 Which is why I the the Megasquirt may be a viable alternative.= =C2=A0 It used to be a thing for hackers only, now it=E2=80=99s almost plug= -N-play.=C2=A0 The open source group has polished the code for many engines= (I saw the rotary mentioned) and there are several sources for completely = packaged controllers.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s not just a bag of part= s and a PC board nowdays.=C2=A0I have only used it for a Chevy V8 so far bu= t all I had to do is wire it up and it worked.=C2=A0 =C2=A0As always, YMMVT= racy=C2=A0Sent from Mail for Windows 10=C2=A0From: William Jepson Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 1:48 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: SDS EFI=C2=A0Tracy,I have always thought that your= efforts were excellent, They got projects in the air. The thing is that yo= u, and Paul as well, need to recognize is that things like the megasquirt a= nd many of Paul's concoctions, while workable, are not projects that the ty= pical builder is capable of taking on. That is not a comment that is intend= ed to be critical either. Lots of the folks doing successful kit building a= re good mechanics but not electrical engineers. Or engineers at all for tha= t matter. If anything is wrong with a kit, or even a manufactured component= electronically they are not equipped to troubleshoot it. I always call thi= s, "building your own light bulbs." Yes I understand the principles. Yes I = could do it. But should I take it on? I love the idea of the rotary as an a= lternate engine. So I am focusing on the items that I believe that I MUST b= uild, and trying to make good selections for others that are proven and rel= iable. Heck even products that have an excellent record like the Motec EMS = have had Paul pulling his hair out. To be able to finish my project I will = be perfectly happy to run the rotary using the mechanical aircraft FI and s= imple electronic ignition Steve Beckham and Everett Hatch used. It works. A= fter that refinement will be the order of the day. I just hope I can last l= ong enough on this project to get it done. For many the task of finishing t= heir kit is daunting, and using something proven in other areas lightens th= e load. I'm sure that's why 90+% of RV's are flying behind Lycomings.=C2=A0= Bill Jepson=C2=A0=C2=A0On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 10:14 AM, rwstracy wrote: I think there is a much more cost effective solution for the ECU than the M= 4.=C2=A0 When I first started development of the EC1/2/3, I looked at the M= egasquirt controllers but the hardware and especially the software was not = at a point where I felt it was good enough.=C2=A0 In the 20+ years since th= en, MUCH progress has been made and it has developed into a much more sophi= sticated system. It also has the benefit of being Open Source in both softw= are and hardware so you can customize it to your hearts content.=C2=A0I=E2= =80=99m happy with the EC2/3s on my planes but I=E2=80=99m using Megasquirt= s on new projects (hotrods mostly).=C2=A0 They are dirt cheap and the tunin= g tools for them are way more developed than even the latest version of the= EC3 too.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Bobby=E2=80=99s idea of using two, one each for leadi= ng and trailing ignition is a good one.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99d do that on my pla= nes if I were starting today. =C2=A0Tracy=C2=A0Sent from Mail for Windows 1= 0=C2=A0From: Bobby J. Hughes Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 12:11 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: SDS EFI=C2=A0Bill,=C2=A0I for one appreciate you (= and Neil=E2=80=99s) continuing effort to develop a reliable gearbox. New ro= tary installs are done without this critical piece of hardware. I like Ross= =E2=80=99s systems and dual controller philosophy as well.=C2=A0 Each contr= oller has an separate CAS and each controller actively fires a set of plugs= . In our case A controller would fire leading and B controller would fire t= railing. Injector can be fired from either controller with a selection swit= ch like Tracy=E2=80=99s. If not for Tracy EC3 I would be bugging him for an= alternative. The Motec M4 has the ability to program the location of the C= AS. Crip Function I believe. This opens up the possibility for dual M4=E2= =80=99s utilizing Ross=E2=80=99s dual controller philosophy and possibly is= injector relay box. Each M4 runs about $2000 but I do see some used ones o= n eBay for less than $1000. =C2=A0=E2=80=93 Ouch!=C2=A0Keep us posted on th= e P-port and PSRU development.=C2=A0Bobby=C2=A0From: Rotary motors in aircr= aft [mailto:flyrotary@ lancaironline.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2017 10:36 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: SDS EFI=C2=A0Richard,Ross and I specifically talke= d about running the rotary. I really like Ross' system and I would like to = run it. In the past he had a system dedicated to the 2 rotor. It is very mu= ch like a 4 cylinder piston system. If he has stopped making it that would = be a shame. I don't like the Halltech units I have seen and the alternative= is the Motec which is a good system but over priced compared to the SDS.Bi= ll=C2=A0On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 5:05 AM, Richard Van Camp wrote:Bill, Ross's system cannot be used to fueling the rotary.=C2=A0 He recommended th= e Haltech or, others for that purpose. Rick -- Homepage:=C2=A0 http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub:=C2=A0 =C2=A0http://mail.lancaironline. net:81/lists/flyr= otary/List. html=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 =20 ------=_Part_2160751_540034612.1486675445451 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bill, I had mine confi= gured for single control operation.  The first half of the lever opene= d the the throttle, while keeping fuel level near lean cut-off.  The s= econd half enriched the mixture.  Don't try this on a piston engine, b= ut the rotary did it perfectly smooth  :-)



= On Thursday, February 9, 2017 4:05 PM, William Jepson <flyrotary@lancai= ronline.net> wrote:


Thanks Tracy,
I will r= evisit the Megasquirt system for sure. Do you know who's injectors they are= suggesting now? Do they have any way to provision for leaning? Wide range = O2? Ross at SDS looked like my only low cost option these days.
<= br>
Bill

<= div class=3D"yiv1435608181gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 12:07 PM, rws= tracy <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
Hi Bill, I agree with all you said there about what the alt-engine builder= faces.  Which is why I the the Megasquirt may be a viable alternative= .  It used to be a thing for hackers only, now it=E2=80=99s almost plu= g-N-play.  The open source group has polished the code for many engine= s (I saw the rotary mentioned) and there are several sources for completely= packaged controllers.    It=E2=80=99s not just a bag of par= ts and a PC board nowdays.
 
I have only used= it for a Chevy V8 so far but all I had to do is wire it up and it worked.&= nbsp;
 
As always, YMMV
Tracy
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Wi= lliam Jepson
Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 1:48 PM

To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: SDS EFI
 
Tracy,
I have always thought that your efforts were exc= ellent, They got projects in the air. The thing is that you, and Paul as we= ll, need to recognize is that things like the megasquirt and many of Paul's= concoctions, while workable, are not projects that the typical builder is = capable of taking on. That is not a comment that is intended to be critical= either. Lots of the folks doing successful kit building are good mechanics= but not electrical engineers. Or engineers at all for that matter. If anyt= hing is wrong with a kit, or even a manufactured component electronically t= hey are not equipped to troubleshoot it. I always call this, "building your= own light bulbs." Yes I understand the principles. Yes I could do it. But = should I take it on? I love the idea of the rotary as an alternate engine. = So I am focusing on the items that I believe that I MUST build, and trying = to make good selections for others that are proven and reliable. Heck even = products that have an excellent record like the Motec EMS have had Paul pul= ling his hair out. To be able to finish my project I will be perfectly happ= y to run the rotary using the mechanical aircraft FI and simple electronic = ignition Steve Beckham and Everett Hatch used. It works. After that refinem= ent will be the order of the day. I just hope I can last long enough on thi= s project to get it done. For many the task of finishing their kit is daunt= ing, and using something proven in other areas lightens the load. I'm sure = that's why 90+% of RV's are flying behind Lycomings. 
Bill Jepson
 
 
On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 10:14 AM, rwstracy <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
=
I think there is a much more cost effective sol= ution for the ECU than the M4.  When I first started development of th= e EC1/2/3, I looked at the Megasquirt controllers but the hardware and espe= cially the software was not at a point where I felt it was good enough.&nbs= p; In the 20+ years since then, MUCH progress has been made and it has deve= loped into a much more sophisticated system. It also has the benefit of bei= ng Open Source in both software and hardware so you can customize it to you= r hearts content.
 
I=E2=80=99m happy with the EC2/3s on my= planes but I=E2=80=99m using Megasquirts on new projects (hotrods mostly).=   They are dirt cheap and the tuning tools for them are way more devel= oped than even the latest version of the EC3 too.
 
  = Bobby=E2=80=99s idea of using two, one each for leading and trailing igniti= on is a good one.  I=E2=80=99d do that on my planes if I were starting= today.
 
Tracy
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
=  
From: Bobby J. Hughes
= Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 12:11 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
= Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: SDS EFI
 
Bill,
 
I for one appreciate you (a= nd Neil=E2=80=99s) continuing effort to develop a reliable gearbox. New= rotary installs are done without this critical piece of hardware. I like R= oss=E2=80=99s systems and dual controller philosophy as well.  Each co= ntroller has an separate CAS and each controller actively fires a set of pl= ugs. In our case A controller would fire leading and B controller would fir= e trailing. Injector can be fired from either controller with a selection s= witch like Tracy=E2=80=99s. If not for Tracy EC3 I would be bugging him for= an alternative. The Motec M4 has the ability to program the location of th= e CAS. Crip Function I believe. This opens up the possibility for dual M4= =E2=80=99s utilizing Ross=E2=80=99s dual controller philosophy and possibly= is injector relay box. Each M4 runs about $2000 but I do see some used one= s on eBay for less than $1000.  =E2=80=93 Ouch!
 
Kee= p us posted on the P-port and PSRU development.
 
Bobby
 
From: R= otary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@ lancaironline.net]
Sent: Thursday, Fe= bruary 09, 2017 10:36 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subj= ect: [FlyRotary] Re: SDS EFI
 
Richard,
Ross and I specifically talked about run= ning the rotary. I really like Ross' system and I would like to run it. In = the past he had a system dedicated to the 2 rotor. It is very much like a 4= cylinder piston system. If he has stopped making it that would be a shame.= I don't like the Halltech units I have seen and the alternative is the Mot= ec which is a good system but over priced compared to the SDS.
=
Bill
 
On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 5:05 AM, Richard Van Camp <flyrotary@lancaironline.net&g= t; wrote:
Bill,

Ross's system cannot be used to fueling the rotary.  He= recommended the Haltech or, others for that purpose.


Rick
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