X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Tom Gillespie" Received: from nm7-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.91.100] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.14) with ESMTPS id 9447243 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 09 Feb 2017 16:21:18 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.138.91.100; envelope-from=pseudowilly33@ymail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ymail.com; s=s2048; t=1486675261; bh=6YEYyBnkSonppOErIdi5I6YjYk9lPVcbsmJCKLjwx7A=; h=Subject:References:From:In-Reply-To:Date:To:From:Subject; b=GcpDVMByIZN4eIVMkadcrblL2GT5xnkPrbIeTl0Niupf/UGZW1Oh7vRVk6Gz+I6EPi7Knd0bmpRWik+zgGmFkvdEXLXSvjd4dsSNPRDgK6PB3k5BNF7P7PrDG6eGPt9PPN6ydSiLErAjUam9kbBqH9R3p+He2DYvVMG+a+80J95/ADG6+2+GOMPQ46cUsjP3fo6Nv8MZ4KiqMlVugytEtbluO2g17xfv2ZcJTgIrumVhXcmcLGQpIPUTH1j8Vq8xcwbXkobb1AliM7sUKLwPdoRf78YknSI+PSHzYeA8AjNlkRIGrf8H8uLJLOEhuu85SMrZkmh2hmgAwEG6PJ/yAw== Received: from [98.138.100.103] by nm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2017 21:21:01 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.43] by tm102.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2017 21:21:01 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2017 21:21:01 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 58349.15531.bm@smtp111.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: AmhYNXIVM1kWpln74xHWtEvA7IwHhHItCHb9lc6Y3dxUGfp XXViE5hqRmhZy2Je5ifVez2eXxeAkxvbWtDNJCovmOu6Cki_dtz15qvMScmY 8lacQ_c5XuDN5GKG0iDuRsnIhMi.TKcJ90432Co7haT81gShhOt7Dwh_qsLu dsNoBK7aHMbgl.C0_wAuXU0E7WQV_TOHdyna8PGb3Rr8AqU6ifkGppzwfwPR moBNF.X1E5.BZOODMFX.7l.nMVOFpFl1lOe0TZNH4.Y3WFgQicr.y8v4EZUe 9kRVXpEaB.JGyMyTedA7k_u5fvHIOswkvTErYxBhRmAWDwDHoKigftoysh_y OZqGRhONVcSAf_PaYT03fc6FkUTn8xKkgF7.aP.vheMHmOi5LbgLGysVicpP HWo8iSCO7Oxwp84s0qsV_CcJYWAESvtwg3EJiSWaLMaVfeki7NQ_jM50v5Og KdpvutGDKR6fFYETI6nT0zE.Wrx5OS88aOdjG5bbXALKbJxe3jGfKS5aX63e xQVS_6ZqxvOKz.epFY1uUdKlodmP3oNvvEUEb2NNZX1M_RG4RdSJr37bLq68 wLADXdiSGfIfoGFRZuZirNqEscOvPzdw- X-Yahoo-SMTP: r3Tl7fOswBCWET4zQp0OXOIdtYNw.bspH57OdKtCGLEfZxQ8 Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: SDS EFI References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-10--585340238 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8C148a) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 16:24:38 -0500 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8C148a) --Apple-Mail-10--585340238 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello all.=20 I am currently using the mega squirt on my race car, ls1 and it is the be= st featured ecu going now. Lots of plug ins for any and all sensors, timing a= dded at a certain point and etc. I'm still in the learning curve and going t= o the Dyno with it in a month or so.=20 My point is, I fully intend on using another on my 20 B. It's rock solid a= nd will tell you if it's not installed correctly! I'm very impressed with it= .=20 As stated before, not everyone can do it and I found a guy who knows the= m and uses it on his car and he has installed systems tied into it for data p= oints and it works perfectly.=20 U just have to surround your self with the right people and u can do anyth= ing! Just my 2 cents.=20 Sent from my iPhone On Feb 9, 2017, at 3:07 PM, "rwstracy" wrote: > Hi Bill, I agree with all you said there about what the alt-engine builder= faces. Which is why I the the Megasquirt may be a viable alternative. It u= sed to be a thing for hackers only, now it=E2=80=99s almost plug-N-play. Th= e open source group has polished the code for many engines (I saw the rotary= mentioned) and there are several sources for completely packaged controller= s. It=E2=80=99s not just a bag of parts and a PC board nowdays. >=20 > =20 >=20 > I have only used it for a Chevy V8 so far but all I had to do is wire it u= p and it worked.=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > As always, YMMV >=20 > Tracy >=20 > =20 >=20 > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >=20 > =20 >=20 > From: William Jepson > Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 1:48 PM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: SDS EFI >=20 > =20 >=20 > Tracy, >=20 > I have always thought that your efforts were excellent, They got projects i= n the air. The thing is that you, and Paul as well, need to recognize is tha= t things like the megasquirt and many of Paul's concoctions, while workable,= are not projects that the typical builder is capable of taking on. That is n= ot a comment that is intended to be critical either. Lots of the folks doing= successful kit building are good mechanics but not electrical engineers. Or= engineers at all for that matter. If anything is wrong with a kit, or even a= manufactured component electronically they are not equipped to troubleshoot= it. I always call this, "building your own light bulbs." Yes I understand t= he principles. Yes I could do it. But should I take it on? I love the idea o= f the rotary as an alternate engine. So I am focusing on the items that I be= lieve that I MUST build, and trying to make good selections for others that a= re proven and reliable. Heck even products that have an excellent record lik= e the Motec EMS have had Paul pulling his hair out. To be able to finish my p= roject I will be perfectly happy to run the rotary using the mechanical airc= raft FI and simple electronic ignition Steve Beckham and Everett Hatch used.= It works. After that refinement will be the order of the day. I just hope I= can last long enough on this project to get it done. For many the task of f= inishing their kit is daunting, and using something proven in other areas li= ghtens the load. I'm sure that's why 90+% of RV's are flying behind Lycoming= s. >=20 > Bill Jepson >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 10:14 AM, rwstracy wr= ote: >=20 > I think there is a much more cost effective solution for the ECU than the M= 4. When I first started development of the EC1/2/3, I looked at the Megasqu= irt controllers but the hardware and especially the software was not at a po= int where I felt it was good enough. In the 20+ years since then, MUCH prog= ress has been made and it has developed into a much more sophisticated syste= m. It also has the benefit of being Open Source in both software and hardwar= e so you can customize it to your hearts content. >=20 > =20 >=20 > I=E2=80=99m happy with the EC2/3s on my planes but I=E2=80=99m using Megas= quirts on new projects (hotrods mostly). They are dirt cheap and the tuning= tools for them are way more developed than even the latest version of the E= C3 too. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Bobby=E2=80=99s idea of using two, one each for leading and trailing ign= ition is a good one. I=E2=80=99d do that on my planes if I were starting to= day. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Tracy >=20 > =20 >=20 > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >=20 > =20 >=20 > From: Bobby J. Hughes > Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 12:11 PM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: SDS EFI >=20 > =20 >=20 > Bill, >=20 > =20 >=20 > I for one appreciate you (and Neil=E2=80=99s) continuing effort to develop= a reliable gearbox. New rotary installs are done without this critical piec= e of hardware. I like Ross=E2=80=99s systems and dual controller philosophy a= s well. Each controller has an separate CAS and each controller actively fi= res a set of plugs. In our case A controller would fire leading and B contro= ller would fire trailing. Injector can be fired from either controller with a= selection switch like Tracy=E2=80=99s. If not for Tracy EC3 I would be bugg= ing him for an alternative. The Motec M4 has the ability to program the loca= tion of the CAS. Crip Function I believe. This opens up the possibility for d= ual M4=E2=80=99s utilizing Ross=E2=80=99s dual controller philosophy and pos= sibly is injector relay box. Each M4 runs about $2000 but I do see some used= ones on eBay for less than $1000. =E2=80=93 Ouch! >=20 > =20 >=20 > Keep us posted on the P-port and PSRU development. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Bobby >=20 > =20 >=20 > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20 > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2017 10:36 AM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: SDS EFI >=20 > =20 >=20 > Richard, >=20 > Ross and I specifically talked about running the rotary. I really like Ros= s' system and I would like to run it. In the past he had a system dedicated t= o the 2 rotor. It is very much like a 4 cylinder piston system. If he has st= opped making it that would be a shame. I don't like the Halltech units I hav= e seen and the alternative is the Motec which is a good system but over pric= ed compared to the SDS. >=20 > Bill >=20 > =20 >=20 > On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 5:05 AM, Richard Van Camp wrote: >=20 > Bill, >=20 > Ross's system cannot be used to fueling the rotary. He recommended the Ha= ltech or, others for that purpose. >=20 >=20 > Rick >=20 > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List= .html >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 --Apple-Mail-10--585340238 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Hello all. 
  = I am currently using the mega squirt on my race car, ls1 and it is the best= featured ecu going now. Lots of plug ins for any and all sensors, timing ad= ded at a certain point and etc.  I'm still in the learning curve and go= ing to the Dyno with it in a month or so. 
   My po= int is, I fully intend on using another on my 20 B. It's rock solid and will= tell you if it's not installed correctly! I'm very impressed with it. =
    As stated before, not everyone can do it and I= found a guy who knows them and uses it on his car and he has installed syst= ems tied into it for data points and it works perfectly. 
&nb= sp; U just have to surround your self with the right people and u can d= o anything!
Just my 2 cents. 



Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 9, 2017, at 3:07 PM, "= rwstracy" <flyrotary@lanca= ironline.net> wrote:

Hi Bill, I agree w= ith all you said there about what the alt-engine builder faces.  Which i= s why I the the Megasquirt may be a viable alternative.  It used to be a= thing for hackers only, now it=E2=80=99s almost plug-N-play.  The open= source group has polished the code for many engines (I saw the rotary menti= oned) and there are several sources for completely packaged controllers.&nbs= p;   It=E2=80=99s not just a bag of parts and a PC board nowdays.<= /p>

 

I have= only used it for a Chevy V8 so far but all I had to do is wire it up and it= worked. 

 

As always, YMMV

Tracy

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: William Jepson
Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 1:48 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyR= otary] Re: SDS EFI

 

Tracy,

I have always tho= ught that your efforts were excellent, They got projects in the air. The thi= ng is that you, and Paul as well, need to recognize is that things like the m= egasquirt and many of Paul's concoctions, while workable, are not projects t= hat the typical builder is capable of taking on. That is not a comment that i= s intended to be critical either. Lots of the folks doing successful kit bui= lding are good mechanics but not electrical engineers. Or engineers at all f= or that matter. If anything is wrong with a kit, or even a manufactured comp= onent electronically they are not equipped to troubleshoot it. I always call= this, "building your own light bulbs." Yes I understand the principles. Yes= I could do it. But should I take it on? I love the idea of the rotary as an= alternate engine. So I am focusing on the items that I believe that I MUST b= uild, and trying to make good selections for others that are proven and reli= able. Heck even products that have an excellent record like the Motec EMS ha= ve had Paul pulling his hair out. To be able to finish my project I will be p= erfectly happy to run the rotary using the mechanical aircraft FI and simple= electronic ignition Steve Beckham and Everett Hatch used. It works. After t= hat refinement will be the order of the day. I just hope I can last long eno= ugh on this project to get it done. For many the task of finishing their kit= is daunting, and using something proven in other areas lightens the load. I= 'm sure that's why 90+% of RV's are flying behind Lycomings. 

Bill Jep= son

 

<= /div>

 

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 10:14 AM, rwstracy <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

I thin= k there is a much more cost effective solution for the ECU than the M4. = ; When I first started development of the EC1/2/3, I looked at the Megasquir= t controllers but the hardware and especially the software was not at a poin= t where I felt it was good enough.  In the 20+ years since then, MUCH p= rogress has been made and it has developed into a much more sophisticated sy= stem. It also has the benefit of being Open Source in both software and hard= ware so you can customize it to your hearts content.

 

I=E2=80=99m happy with the EC2/3s on my p= lanes but I=E2=80=99m using Megasquirts on new projects (hotrods mostly).&nb= sp; They are dirt cheap and the tuning tools for them are way more developed= than even the latest version of the EC3 too.

&nbs= p;

  Bobby=E2=80=99s idea of using two, one e= ach for leading and trailing ignition is a good one.  I=E2=80=99d do th= at on my planes if I were starting today.

 <= /p>

Tracy

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

=  

From: Bobby J. Hughes
Sent: <= /b>Thursday, February 9, 2017 12:11 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
<= b>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: SDS EFI

 = ;

Bill,

 

I for one appreciate you (an= d Neil=E2=80=99s) continuing effort to develop a reliable gearbox. New r= otary installs are done without this critical piece of hardware. I like Ross= =E2=80=99s systems and dual controller philosophy as well.  Each contro= ller has an separate CAS and each controller actively fires a set of plugs. I= n our case A controller would fire leading and B controller would fire trail= ing. Injector can be fired from either controller with a selection switch li= ke Tracy=E2=80=99s. If not for Tracy EC3 I would be bugging him for an alter= native. The Motec M4 has the ability to program the location of the CAS. Cri= p Function I believe. This opens up the possibility for dual M4=E2=80=99s ut= ilizing Ross=E2=80=99s dual controller philosophy and possibly is injector r= elay box. Each M4 runs about $2000 but I do see some used ones on eBay for l= ess than $1000.  =E2=80=93 Ouch!

 

Keep us posted on the P-port and PSRU development.=

 

Bobby

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Thur= sday, February 09, 2017 10:36 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
= Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: SDS EFI

 

=

Richard,

Ross and I specifically talke= d about running the rotary. I really like Ross' system and I would like to r= un it. In the past he had a system dedicated to the 2 rotor. It is very much= like a 4 cylinder piston system. If he has stopped making it that would be a= shame. I don't like the Halltech units I have seen and the alternative is t= he Motec which is a good system but over priced compared to the SDS.<= /p>

Bill

 =

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 5:05 AM, Richard Van Camp <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote= :

Bill,

Ross's system cannot be used to fueling th= e rotary.  He recommended the Haltech or, others for that purpose.
<= br>
Rick

--
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