X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Ernest Christley" Received: from nm20-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([98.136.217.36] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.14) with ESMTPS id 9447244 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 09 Feb 2017 16:19:57 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.136.217.36; envelope-from=echristley@att.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1486675178; bh=O0uEdUJO1gCe/lcm/z9/rHhGVKJLn43JE77Zwj8ajM4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=1yFUzGETV9hpOyCDWo7a978SNfOF2KOlR1NU9GojsRyKziYgL6Ik1YWzXRGhCvdI/qVmVbyZLBNLOApzEFmuwCt2ZTHaokXcLky/OT9wMHiyPsbI4gM2iGbNL7H5MupQ3V/iMgzU//8e2HTpmPtP6p+a6rgJgX7UT8o+UUkUPOY= Received: from [98.137.12.58] by nm20.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2017 21:19:38 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.194] by tm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2017 21:19:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2017 21:19:38 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 637378.81231.bm@omp1002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: GtMVcuoVM1kD99EbMNDJbBS5X0QeiUI9KBBrG0LkE5dlps5zfXnwHUOLD1mlS7t kE7dQAEe4pmqIJimq0Dumf4BmjK2bpWQ_OlcFPQdH2lTFORI4cZsUc1HSeo7J67fi8qmSr7aDgIl DcOKbKSwzwl50nMrt7C1xGL1ktkpQII_wjRtpRSGj.EM0mmwUG0ZmJGtLUvp_vaJziO01FKeg4xa gq7_V7bL7tBdbCB6I2XBKuv6fGdG38BvavtDIVmmk.6rJguaNkCCu9fGbUN0SE9xoqAbWKJUwfgE 5DApf1aG83LfL7QQlNeCzqGlbSf523rUpG9iB80ajFB7yoDLwDY_M4PsnOYBr72ynfyY7.tc5WSO WqUqXZ.WwX8rtz_K2kv00EVQosBtrafGrrlHCuzAndcOOXKWKz3vTmuEjQBUpduWpCkAHhzSN2XS u55wNjgVGO_t64.rJM7f1Rea6qdsUNzzvHQHWUM.umR6JOiEYZs4kqSbuxHw89jtCRP4sTq6K6ZK 2mFZ3q9Lk8jtP5ZmMN1n7Mx8yB9w- Received: from jws300038.mail.gq1.yahoo.com by sendmailws122.mail.gq1.yahoo.com; Thu, 09 Feb 2017 21:19:38 +0000; 1486675178.202 Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:19:38 +0000 (UTC) Reply-To: Ernest Christley To: Rotary motors in aircraft Message-ID: <2114236485.2156364.1486675178018@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: SDS EFI MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2156363_599532566.1486675178015" Content-Length: 14842 ------=_Part_2156363_599532566.1486675178015 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I installed a MegaSquirt on the Delta I built and had it running pretty goo= d. =C2=A0I used two of the Ford EDIS-4 ignition controllers, one for leadin= g, the other for trailing. =C2=A0In this mode, the MegaSquirt didn't contro= l the ignition directly, but provided "advice" to the EDIS. =C2=A0The EDIS = has a limp home mode that keeps firing at 10 degrees of advance if it lost = signal from the MegaSquirt. =C2=A0I arranged the sensors so that this limp = home mode was actually 27 degrees. =C2=A0If the MS went south, I'd still ge= t useful ignition! The MS also controlled the injectors directly. =C2=A0I still have the tunin= g maps around somewhere on my home computer if someone wants to try it out. =20 On Thursday, February 9, 2017 1:14 PM, rwstracy wrote: =20 I think there is a much more cos= t effective solution for the ECU than the M4.=C2=A0 When I first started de= velopment of the EC1/2/3, I looked at the Megasquirt controllers but the ha= rdware and especially the software was not at a point where I felt it was g= ood enough.=C2=A0 In the 20+ years since then, MUCH progress has been made = and it has developed into a much more sophisticated system. It also has the= benefit of being Open Source in both software and hardware so you can cust= omize it to your hearts content. =C2=A0I=E2=80=99m happy with the EC2/3s on= my planes but I=E2=80=99m using Megasquirts on new projects (hotrods mostl= y).=C2=A0 They are dirt cheap and the tuning tools for them are way more de= veloped than even the latest version of the EC3 too. =C2=A0=C2=A0 Bobby=E2= =80=99s idea of using two, one each for leading and trailing ignition is a = good one.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99d do that on my planes if I were starting today. = =C2=A0Tracy =C2=A0Sent from Mail for Windows 10 =C2=A0From: Bobby J. Hughe= s Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 12:11 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: SDS EFI =C2=A0Bill, =C2=A0I for one appreciate you= (and Neil=E2=80=99s) continuing effort to develop a reliable gearbox. New = rotary installs are done without this critical piece of hardware. I like Ro= ss=E2=80=99s systems and dual controller philosophy as well. =C2=A0Each con= troller has an separate CAS and each controller actively fires a set of plu= gs. In our case A controller would fire leading and B controller would fire= trailing. Injector can be fired from either controller with a selection sw= itch like Tracy=E2=80=99s. If not for Tracy EC3 I would be bugging him for = an alternative. The Motec M4 has the ability to program the location of the= CAS. Crip Function I believe. This opens up the possibility for dual M4=E2= =80=99s utilizing Ross=E2=80=99s dual controller philosophy and possibly is= injector relay box. Each M4 runs about $2000 but I do see some used ones o= n eBay for less than $1000. =C2=A0=E2=80=93 Ouch! =C2=A0Keep us posted on t= he P-port and PSRU development. =C2=A0Bobby =C2=A0From: Rotary motors in ai= rcraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2017 10:36 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: SDS EFI =C2=A0Richard,Ross and I specifically talk= ed about running the rotary. I really like Ross' system and I would like to= run it. In the past he had a system dedicated to the 2 rotor. It is very m= uch like a 4 cylinder piston system. If he has stopped making it that would= be a shame. I don't like the Halltech units I have seen and the alternativ= e is the Motec which is a good system but over priced compared to the SDS.B= ill =C2=A0On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 5:05 AM, Richard Van Camp wrote:Bill, Ross's system cannot be used to fueling the rotary.=C2=A0 He recommended th= e Haltech or, others for that purpose. Rick -- Homepage:=C2=A0 http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub:=C2=A0 =C2=A0http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyro= tary/List.html =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =20 ------=_Part_2156363_599532566.1486675178015 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I installe= d a MegaSquirt on the Delta I built and had it running pretty good.  I= used two of the Ford EDIS-4 ignition controllers, one for leading, the oth= er for trailing.  In this mode, the MegaSquirt didn't control the igni= tion directly, but provided "advice" to the EDIS.  The EDIS has a limp= home mode that keeps firing at 10 degrees of advance if it lost signal fro= m the MegaSquirt.  I arranged the sensors so that this limp home mode = was actually 27 degrees.  If the MS went south, I'd still get useful i= gnition!

The MS= also controlled the injectors directly.  I still have the tuning maps= around somewhere on my home computer if someone wants to try it out.
=


On Thursday, February 9, 2017 1:14 PM, r= wstracy <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

I think there is a much more cost effective solution fo= r the ECU than the M4.  When I first started development of the EC1/2/= 3, I looked at the Megasquirt controllers but the hardware and especially t= he software was not at a point where I felt it was good enough.  In th= e 20+ years since then, MUCH progress has been made and it has developed in= to a much more sophisticated system. It also has the benefit of being Open = Source in both software and hardware so you can customize it to your hearts= content.
 
I=E2=80=99m happy with the EC2/3s on my planes= but I=E2=80=99m using Megasquirts on new projects (hotrods mostly).  = They are dirt cheap and the tuning tools for them are way more developed th= an even the latest version of the EC3 too.
 
  Bobby= =E2=80=99s idea of using two, one each for leading and trailing ignition is= a good one.  I=E2=80=99d do that on my planes if I were starting toda= y.
 
Tracy
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Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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From: Bobby J. Hughes
Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 12:= 11 PM
To: R= otary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: SDS EFI
 
Bill,
 
I for one appreciate you (and Neil=E2=80=99s) continuing effort = to develop a reliable gearbox. New rotary installs are done without this cr= itical piece of hardware. I like Ross=E2=80=99s systems and dual controller= philosophy as well.  Each controller has an separate CAS and each con= troller actively fires a set of plugs. In our case A controller would fire = leading and B controller would fire trailing. Injector can be fired from ei= ther controller with a selection switch like Tracy=E2=80=99s. If not for Tr= acy EC3 I would be bugging him for an alternative. The Motec M4 has the abi= lity to program the location of the CAS. Crip Function I believe. This open= s up the possibility for dual M4=E2=80=99s utilizing Ross=E2=80=99s dual co= ntroller philosophy and possibly is injector relay box. Each M4 runs about = $2000 but I do see some used ones on eBay for less than $1000.  =E2=80= =93 Ouch!
 
<= span style=3D"color:#1F497D;">Keep us posted on the P-port and PSRU develop= ment.
 
Bobby
 
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mai= lto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 20= 17 10:36 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [Fly= Rotary] Re: SDS EFI
 
Richard,
Ross and I specifically talked about running the rotary. I re= ally like Ross' system and I would like to run it. In the past he had a sys= tem dedicated to the 2 rotor. It is very much like a 4 cylinder piston syst= em. If he has stopped making it that would be a shame. I don't like the Hal= ltech units I have seen and the alternative is the Motec which is a good sy= stem but over priced compared to the SDS.
Bill
 
On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 = at 5:05 AM, Richard Van Camp <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
Bill,

Ross's system cannot be used to fueling the= rotary.  He recommended the Haltech or, others for that purpose.
<= br>
Rick

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