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Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 19:57:16 -0400
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Pretty sure he does not have one, Todd

Ed

From: Todd Bartrim=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 2:23 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Big day tomorrow !

Hi Ed;=20
Do you know if Max is equipped with an autopilot?=20
Sure would make those long water crossings easier.=20



On Tue, Sep 6, 2016, 10:16 AM Ed Anderson <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> =
wrote:

  When I had spark plug sag, the engine did not sputter, it just lost =
rpm and power.

  He had 14 hours with the engine running fine and after a night of =
heavy rain with it left outside (which he normally does not do) and then =
the sputtering does not start until 5 minutes after take off, sure makes =
it sound like water in the fuel to me.

  Ed

  From: Kelly Troyer=20
  Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 12:44 PM
  To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20
  Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Big day tomorrow !
  Ed,
    I think you may have diagnosed the problem..........It does not =
sound like spark plug "SAG"...........Hope So ??.............

  Kelly Troyer





  On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Ed Anderson =
<flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:



    Bummer, Max -  to hear you had a problem after such a great start. =
Grateful that
    you made it back to the airport.

    Here is my best guess as to the problem.  IF it rained all night =
long and
    the engine was running fine when you landed, it sure sounds like you =
got
    water in your fuel tanks.

    Five minutes is enough to burn all the
    uncontaminated fuel out of the lines and your fuel sump and start =
sucking in
    water contaminated fuel.  By playing with the fuel mixture you =
probably made
    it rich enough (more fuel) to sort of counteract the water in the =
fuel.

    I would drain some fuel from each tank and check it for water - I'll =
bet you
    find some.

    IF you can somehow turn off your wing tanks fuel feed and turn on =
the aux
    tank in the cockpit (which should not have water in it), then see =
how it
    runs.

    If you run the engine on the ground and it is the water causing the =
problem,
    you should use up the water in a few minutes and then it should =
start
    running normally.  IF that happens then, in my opinion, that =
increase the
    odds that it was water in the fuel that caused your problem.

    I'll bet you normally keep you aircraft in the hangar when its =
raining.  IF
    so its not uncommon when left out in the rain that rain  could leak =
past old
    hard rubber seals around your filler caps - are they located on the =
top of
    the wing??

    Let me know what you find.

    Ed



    -----Original Message----- From: (null) maximilian
    Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 12:06 PM
    To: Ed Anderson
    Subject: Re: Big day tomorrow !

    What could have happened?
    it was raining all night long!
    5 min after takeoff it started loosening power like sputtering!
    thank god after playing with the mixture it ran just enough to get =
me back
    to airport
    very scary! I was fully loaded with fuel!
    most likely I leave the plane here!

    max

    Sent from my iPad


      On Sep 6, 2016, at 10:52 AM, Ed Anderson =
<eanderson@carolina.rr.com> wrote:

      Great going, Max - you put Lindberg to shame {:>).  Onward to =
Iceland

      Ed

      -----Original Message----- From: (null) maximilian
      Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 2:04 PM
      To: Ed Anderson
      Cc: Stefan.Kohout@t-online.de ; s-kocher@hotmail.com ; =
dibora@sbg.at ; Karin Raab ; chuck55@optonline.net ; Joseph DiPalermo
      Subject: Re: Big day tomorrow !

      I'm in Narsasuak Greenland after completing my most difficult =
Flight ever!
      Icing, snow, rain and fog!
      Mashine and pilot went through the most difficult!
      5 hours 20 min total
      more then 2 hours in solid IFR!

      wunderbar!
      Max

      Sent from my iPad


        On Sep 4, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Ed Anderson =
<eanderson@carolina.rr.com> wrote:

        Stay High and dry my friend.  Let us know as soon as you get to =
Greenland.

        Ed

        -----Original Message----- From: Max
        Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 11:12 AM
        To: eanderson@carolina.rr.com ; Stefan.Kohout@t-online.de ; =
s-kocher@hotmail.com ; dibora@sbg.at ; Karin Raab ; =
chuck55@optonline.net ; Joseph DiPalermo
        Subject: Big day tomorrow !

        Got my survival gear, Flieger is loaded with gas, weather looks =
good tail wind
        Going straight from Goose bay to Greenland 5 hours over water!










        Sent from my iPhone





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<DIV>Pretty sure he does not have one, Todd</DIV>
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<DIV>Ed</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 06, 2016 2:23 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Big day tomorrow =
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<P dir=3Dltr>Hi Ed; <BR>Do you know if Max is equipped with an =
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<DIV dir=3Dltr>On Tue, Sep 6, 2016, 10:16 AM Ed Anderson &lt;<A=20
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  <DIV>When I had spark plug sag, the engine did not sputter, it just =
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  and power.</DIV>
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  <DIV>He had 14 hours with the engine running fine and after a night of =
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  href=3D"mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net" target=3D_blank>Kelly =
Troyer</A>=20
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  <DIV>Ed,</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp; I think you may have diagnosed the problem..........It =
does not=20
  sound like spark plug "SAG"...........Hope So ??.............</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Kelly Troyer</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Ed Anderson =
<SPAN=20
  dir=3Dltr>&lt;<A href=3D"mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net"=20
  target=3D_blank>flyrotary@lancaironline.net</A>&gt;</SPAN> wrote:<BR>
  <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20
  style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: =
#ccc 1px solid"><BR><BR>Bummer,=20
    Max -&nbsp; to hear you had a problem after such a great start. =
Grateful=20
    that<BR>you made it back to the airport.<BR><BR>Here is my best =
guess as to=20
    the problem.&nbsp; IF it rained all night long and<BR>the engine was =
running=20
    fine when you landed, it sure sounds like you got<BR>water in your =
fuel=20
    tanks.<BR><BR>Five minutes is enough to burn all =
the<BR>uncontaminated fuel=20
    out of the lines and your fuel sump and start sucking in<BR>water=20
    contaminated fuel.&nbsp; By playing with the fuel mixture you =
probably=20
    made<BR>it rich enough (more fuel) to sort of counteract the water =
in the=20
    fuel.<BR><BR>I would drain some fuel from each tank and check it for =
water -=20
    I'll bet you<BR>find some.<BR><BR>IF you can somehow turn off your =
wing=20
    tanks fuel feed and turn on the aux<BR>tank in the cockpit (which =
should not=20
    have water in it), then see how it<BR>runs.<BR><BR>If you run the =
engine on=20
    the ground and it is the water causing the problem,<BR>you should =
use up the=20
    water in a few minutes and then it should start<BR>running =
normally.&nbsp;=20
    IF that happens then, in my opinion, that increase the<BR>odds that =
it was=20
    water in the fuel that caused your problem.<BR><BR>I'll bet you =
normally=20
    keep you aircraft in the hangar when its raining.&nbsp; IF<BR>so its =
not=20
    uncommon when left out in the rain that rain&nbsp; could leak past=20
    old<BR>hard rubber seals around your filler caps - are they located =
on the=20
    top of<BR>the wing??<BR><BR>Let me know what you=20
    find.<BR><BR>Ed<BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message----- From: =
(null)=20
    maximilian<BR>Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 12:06 PM<BR>To: Ed=20
    Anderson<BR>Subject: Re: Big day tomorrow !<BR><BR>What could have=20
    happened?<BR>it was raining all night long!<BR>5 min after takeoff =
it=20
    started loosening power like sputtering!<BR>thank god after playing =
with the=20
    mixture it ran just enough to get me back<BR>to airport<BR>very =
scary! I was=20
    fully loaded with fuel!<BR>most likely I leave the plane=20
    here!<BR><BR>max<BR><BR>Sent from my iPad<BR><BR>
    <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20
    style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: =
#ccc 1px solid">On=20
      Sep 6, 2016, at 10:52 AM, Ed Anderson &lt;<A=20
      href=3D"mailto:eanderson@carolina.rr.com"=20
      target=3D_blank>eanderson@carolina.rr.com</A>&gt; =
wrote:<BR><BR>Great going,=20
      Max - you put Lindberg to shame {:&gt;).&nbsp; Onward to=20
      Iceland<BR><BR>Ed<BR><BR>-----Original Message----- From: (null)=20
      maximilian<BR>Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 2:04 PM<BR>To: Ed=20
      Anderson<BR>Cc: <A href=3D"mailto:Stefan.Kohout@t-online.de"=20
      target=3D_blank>Stefan.Kohout@t-online.de</A> ; <A=20
      href=3D"mailto:s-kocher@hotmail.com" =
target=3D_blank>s-kocher@hotmail.com</A>=20
      ; <A href=3D"mailto:dibora@sbg.at" =
target=3D_blank>dibora@sbg.at</A> ; Karin=20
      Raab ; <A href=3D"mailto:chuck55@optonline.net"=20
      target=3D_blank>chuck55@optonline.net</A> ; Joseph =
DiPalermo<BR>Subject: Re:=20
      Big day tomorrow !<BR><BR>I'm in Narsasuak Greenland after =
completing my=20
      most difficult Flight ever!<BR>Icing, snow, rain and =
fog!<BR>Mashine and=20
      pilot went through the most difficult!<BR>5 hours 20 min =
total<BR>more=20
      then 2 hours in solid IFR!<BR><BR>wunderbar!<BR>Max<BR><BR>Sent =
from my=20
      iPad<BR><BR>
      <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20
      style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; =
BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">On=20
        Sep 4, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Ed Anderson &lt;<A=20
        href=3D"mailto:eanderson@carolina.rr.com"=20
        target=3D_blank>eanderson@carolina.rr.com</A>&gt; =
wrote:<BR><BR>Stay High=20
        and dry my friend.&nbsp; Let us know as soon as you get to=20
        Greenland.<BR><BR>Ed<BR><BR>-----Original Message----- From:=20
        Max<BR>Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 11:12 AM<BR>To: <A=20
        href=3D"mailto:eanderson@carolina.rr.com"=20
        target=3D_blank>eanderson@carolina.rr.com</A> ; <A=20
        href=3D"mailto:Stefan.Kohout@t-online.de"=20
        target=3D_blank>Stefan.Kohout@t-online.de</A> ; <A=20
        href=3D"mailto:s-kocher@hotmail.com"=20
        target=3D_blank>s-kocher@hotmail.com</A> ; <A =
href=3D"mailto:dibora@sbg.at"=20
        target=3D_blank>dibora@sbg.at</A> ; Karin Raab ; <A=20
        href=3D"mailto:chuck55@optonline.net"=20
        target=3D_blank>chuck55@optonline.net</A> ; Joseph =
DiPalermo<BR>Subject:=20
        Big day tomorrow !<SPAN><BR><BR>Got my survival gear, Flieger is =
loaded=20
        with gas, weather looks good tail wind<BR>Going straight from =
Goose bay=20
        to Greenland 5 hours over=20
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