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Ed,
  I think you may have diagnosed the problem..........It does not sound
like spark plug "SAG"...........Hope So ??.............

Kelly Troyer





On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Ed Anderson <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
wrote:

>
>
> Bummer, Max -  to hear you had a problem after such a great start.
> Grateful that
> you made it back to the airport.
>
> Here is my best guess as to the problem.  IF it rained all night long and
> the engine was running fine when you landed, it sure sounds like you got
> water in your fuel tanks.
>
> Five minutes is enough to burn all the
> uncontaminated fuel out of the lines and your fuel sump and start sucking
> in
> water contaminated fuel.  By playing with the fuel mixture you probably
> made
> it rich enough (more fuel) to sort of counteract the water in the fuel.
>
> I would drain some fuel from each tank and check it for water - I'll bet
> you
> find some.
>
> IF you can somehow turn off your wing tanks fuel feed and turn on the aux
> tank in the cockpit (which should not have water in it), then see how it
> runs.
>
> If you run the engine on the ground and it is the water causing the
> problem,
> you should use up the water in a few minutes and then it should start
> running normally.  IF that happens then, in my opinion, that increase the
> odds that it was water in the fuel that caused your problem.
>
> I'll bet you normally keep you aircraft in the hangar when its raining.  IF
> so its not uncommon when left out in the rain that rain  could leak past
> old
> hard rubber seals around your filler caps - are they located on the top of
> the wing??
>
> Let me know what you find.
>
> Ed
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: (null) maximilian
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 12:06 PM
> To: Ed Anderson
> Subject: Re: Big day tomorrow !
>
> What could have happened?
> it was raining all night long!
> 5 min after takeoff it started loosening power like sputtering!
> thank god after playing with the mixture it ran just enough to get me back
> to airport
> very scary! I was fully loaded with fuel!
> most likely I leave the plane here!
>
> max
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 6, 2016, at 10:52 AM, Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Great going, Max - you put Lindberg to shame {:>).  Onward to Iceland
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: (null) maximilian
>> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 2:04 PM
>> To: Ed Anderson
>> Cc: Stefan.Kohout@t-online.de ; s-kocher@hotmail.com ; dibora@sbg.at ;
>> Karin Raab ; chuck55@optonline.net ; Joseph DiPalermo
>> Subject: Re: Big day tomorrow !
>>
>> I'm in Narsasuak Greenland after completing my most difficult Flight ever!
>> Icing, snow, rain and fog!
>> Mashine and pilot went through the most difficult!
>> 5 hours 20 min total
>> more then 2 hours in solid IFR!
>>
>> wunderbar!
>> Max
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Stay High and dry my friend.  Let us know as soon as you get to
>>> Greenland.
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Max
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 11:12 AM
>>> To: eanderson@carolina.rr.com ; Stefan.Kohout@t-online.de ;
>>> s-kocher@hotmail.com ; dibora@sbg.at ; Karin Raab ;
>>> chuck55@optonline.net ; Joseph DiPalermo
>>> Subject: Big day tomorrow !
>>>
>>> Got my survival gear, Flieger is loaded with gas, weather looks good
>>> tail wind
>>> Going straight from Goose bay to Greenland 5 hours over water!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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>>> 09/04/16
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
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Kelly Troyer
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Ed,</div><div>=C2=A0 I think you may have diagnosed t=
he problem..........It does not sound like spark plug &quot;SAG&quot;......=
.....Hope So ??.............</div><div><br></div><div>Kelly Troyer</div><di=
v><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><b=
r><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Ed Anderson <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net" target=
=3D"_blank">flyrotary@lancaironline.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex"><br>
<br>
Bummer, Max -=C2=A0 to hear you had a problem after such a great start. Gra=
teful that<br>
you made it back to the airport.<br>
<br>
Here is my best guess as to the problem.=C2=A0 IF it rained all night long =
and<br>
the engine was running fine when you landed, it sure sounds like you got<br=
>
water in your fuel tanks.<br>
<br>
Five minutes is enough to burn all the<br>
uncontaminated fuel out of the lines and your fuel sump and start sucking i=
n<br>
water contaminated fuel.=C2=A0 By playing with the fuel mixture you probabl=
y made<br>
it rich enough (more fuel) to sort of counteract the water in the fuel.<br>
<br>
I would drain some fuel from each tank and check it for water - I&#39;ll be=
t you<br>
find some.<br>
<br>
IF you can somehow turn off your wing tanks fuel feed and turn on the aux<b=
r>
tank in the cockpit (which should not have water in it), then see how it<br=
>
runs.<br>
<br>
If you run the engine on the ground and it is the water causing the problem=
,<br>
you should use up the water in a few minutes and then it should start<br>
running normally.=C2=A0 IF that happens then, in my opinion, that increase =
the<br>
odds that it was water in the fuel that caused your problem.<br>
<br>
I&#39;ll bet you normally keep you aircraft in the hangar when its raining.=
=C2=A0 IF<br>
so its not uncommon when left out in the rain that rain=C2=A0 could leak pa=
st old<br>
hard rubber seals around your filler caps - are they located on the top of<=
br>
the wing??<br>
<br>
Let me know what you find.<br>
<br>
Ed<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message----- From: (null) maximilian<br>
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 12:06 PM<br>
To: Ed Anderson<br>
Subject: Re: Big day tomorrow !<br>
<br>
What could have happened?<br>
it was raining all night long!<br>
5 min after takeoff it started loosening power like sputtering!<br>
thank god after playing with the mixture it ran just enough to get me back<=
br>
to airport<br>
very scary! I was fully loaded with fuel!<br>
most likely I leave the plane here!<br>
<br>
max<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Sep 6, 2016, at 10:52 AM, Ed Anderson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eanderson@ca=
rolina.rr.com" target=3D"_blank">eanderson@carolina.rr.com</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
r>
<br>
Great going, Max - you put Lindberg to shame {:&gt;).=C2=A0 Onward to Icela=
nd<br>
<br>
Ed<br>
<br>
-----Original Message----- From: (null) maximilian<br>
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 2:04 PM<br>
To: Ed Anderson<br>
Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:Stefan.Kohout@t-online.de" target=3D"_blank">Stefan.K=
ohout@t-online.de</a> ; <a href=3D"mailto:s-kocher@hotmail.com" target=3D"_=
blank">s-kocher@hotmail.com</a> ; <a href=3D"mailto:dibora@sbg.at" target=
=3D"_blank">dibora@sbg.at</a> ; Karin Raab ; <a href=3D"mailto:chuck55@opto=
nline.net" target=3D"_blank">chuck55@optonline.net</a> ; Joseph DiPalermo<b=
r>
Subject: Re: Big day tomorrow !<br>
<br>
I&#39;m in Narsasuak Greenland after completing my most difficult Flight ev=
er!<br>
Icing, snow, rain and fog!<br>
Mashine and pilot went through the most difficult!<br>
5 hours 20 min total<br>
more then 2 hours in solid IFR!<br>
<br>
wunderbar!<br>
Max<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Sep 4, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Ed Anderson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eanderson@car=
olina.rr.com" target=3D"_blank">eanderson@carolina.rr.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
>
<br>
Stay High and dry my friend.=C2=A0 Let us know as soon as you get to Greenl=
and.<br>
<br>
Ed<br>
<br>
-----Original Message----- From: Max<br>
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 11:12 AM<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:eanderson@carolina.rr.com" target=3D"_blank">eanderso=
n@carolina.rr.com</a> ; <a href=3D"mailto:Stefan.Kohout@t-online.de" target=
=3D"_blank">Stefan.Kohout@t-online.de</a> ; <a href=3D"mailto:s-kocher@hotm=
ail.com" target=3D"_blank">s-kocher@hotmail.com</a> ; <a href=3D"mailto:dib=
ora@sbg.at" target=3D"_blank">dibora@sbg.at</a> ; Karin Raab ; <a href=3D"m=
ailto:chuck55@optonline.net" target=3D"_blank">chuck55@optonline.net</a> ; =
Joseph DiPalermo<br>
Subject: Big day tomorrow !<span class=3D""><br>
<br>
Got my survival gear, Flieger is loaded with gas, weather looks good tail w=
ind<br>
Going straight from Goose bay to Greenland 5 hours over water!<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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No virus found in this message.<br>
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<br>
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