X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Charlie England" Received: from mail-yk0-f172.google.com ([209.85.160.172] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.8) with ESMTPS id 8375301 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 02 Feb 2016 17:23:21 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.160.172; envelope-from=ceengland7@gmail.com Received: by mail-yk0-f172.google.com with SMTP id u9so2720499ykd.1 for ; Tue, 02 Feb 2016 14:23:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=9FOLBMwH48EKp5zrhiTLITo00koL2O1u/rqFanhM9PI=; b=wqM1pc7Lbfzas0a3CA2gX/ZSj3QTdgNBKB0f+5Frec2znlliaWe1FA8mmU02fN+iNF oHWdlKMAD6CuRSUN6shBqVOztg/EJ2VKnPv6521c8lGfh+DY86lLwe39iOQpDpNu6ihM x3NRrWN+Xsla3LmXU9dvCpl0tJoWW7KHi2U8CG/lqMAnsSwau5sIyhg4QAnjPlhYUipi p9dVtct0vKYAqPZYakoiGKoMaNpMKCc8bQi0CxxBaZcwWH+tXlBSK1MzSq4wC8skQQbC tALUA99P2LsFPl/Y/EzHeqExWd/n6LFYRnVyV4dauSC1FnmO5uAlzD44u/qxwkYBSjXp 9oag== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=9FOLBMwH48EKp5zrhiTLITo00koL2O1u/rqFanhM9PI=; b=T3IrY2rBhWDUeSen+RM8LDq4ioJFV66ObpxMLwnYwkMNXpNzutbOIEJ3JNUZ3fhByq ia+lRj+s+IC52bnS1+PukWKM6iKl0B4+iSOj+2cs0yMiq1EQmJme1z5Oh7FxYCcMFISi Cd+w4VoyJg8J8Y55I0RBimx1508fZ4aqB7KPdDtXyqm122vKKOFSWbm12s8iSUTz8Kql zk2CJV2YfxvJy4YwLl7Ktm3cGxuvRjxMPv9rOvjWXp2eY2nStH1D2G3qcFjCii2ZFqO/ FQnaUksPvgMe+8Ll5Bv5/MgGVtCR3mxQU7pFivLH4GnmWHARt19Y2oiClksEpHgLmnhk jUKw== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOTnDKevRO6+nqmEGZVDdXjnUiuQi+H9kVDNrwRPdfgFLjH+LznFlDz4U3wN0zZjnYL15tf31pIkqIjVdA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.37.3.137 with SMTP id 131mr21243099ybd.46.1454451785219; Tue, 02 Feb 2016 14:23:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.13.211.1 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Feb 2016 14:23:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2016 16:23:05 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Welding Equipment Recomendations To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c045ce0063d5052ad0f281 --001a11c045ce0063d5052ad0f281 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I should have mentioned that all the DC TIG & DC/AC TIG machines will also do Stick welding. On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Charlie England wrote: > Several years ago I decided to equip my shop with a good welder (I had no > experience, & still have little) before I retired & couldn't afford to bu= y > one. I thought about one of the cheap Chinese models, but decided to spen= d > the money on a used Miller Dynasty that does DC & AC stick, DC/AC TIG, an= d > everything except 'pulse' built in. Nice welder, but guess what; they're > all made in China now. > > A friend bought a Chinese model (I think it was > > http://www.everlastgenerators.com/product/multi-process-tig-stick-plasma/= powerpro-205s > > > Note that it does *everything*, including pulse, and it does plasma > cutting to boot. The learning curve for him was a lot shorter than for me= . > He got a few pointers from my neighbor (who welded my motor mount for me)= , > and watched a lot of youtube videos. > http://www.weldingtipsandtricks.com/ > > He's now almost finished with a scratchbuilt Cub fuselage & tailfeathers. > I'd love to sell my Miller & buy what he's got. If you really want less > capability, there are lots of DC only TIG models that are really > inexpensive. I wouldn't limit my search to Everlast, but as an example, > here's what's available: > > http://www.everlastgenerators.com/catalog-tig?field_voltage_phase_value= =3DAll&field_tig_inverter_type_value=3DAll&field_memory_value=3DAll&field_o= utput_type_value=3DAll&field_foot_pedal_value=3DAll&field_stick_function_va= lue=3DAll&field_6010_cellulose_capable_value=3DAll&field_stick_hot_start_ty= pe_value=3DAll&field_tig_start_type_list_value=3DAll&field_tig_pulse_value= =3DAll&field_remote_control_value=3DAll&field_igbt_type_value=3DAll&field_m= ax_amps_for_filters__value=3DAll > You can probably beat the prices shown by checking Amazon & ebay. My budd= y > bought his through Amazon Prime and shipping was free, just like everythi= ng > else. > > When I was doing my research, some of the 'old hands' on welding forums > warned about service on the Chinese stuff, but now it's looking like the > 'big 3' American brands are having the same issues; no parts/slow service= . > > Most of the inverter style welders will run on 120 or 240, with somewhat > reduced capacity on 120V. And you can carry them like a briefcase, instea= d > of with a hand truck or furniture dolly. :-) > > Charlie > > On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 1:06 PM, David Leonard > wrote: > >> I have a number of small welding projects around the home and hangar >> that are starting to accumulate. I am thinking about getting one of >> those $100 welders from Harbor Freight but I have almost no welding >> experience. There is plenty of info on the web but I thought I would >> put the question to my rotary friends. >> >> Given that I just want to be able to do occasional projects around the >> home and airplane, what type of welding equipment would be best for me >> and what do you consider the minimum power level that is acceptable? >> I will skip the desire to do anythng with aluminum. I am thinking >> that Arc or Flux Core would be easiest. I tried to weld with >> auto-feed MIG and I just couldnt keep up with the wire. Also, most of >> the airplane projects are too difficult to keep any gas bubble in >> place. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> David Leonard >> >> -- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> > > --001a11c045ce0063d5052ad0f281 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I should have mentioned that all the DC TIG & DC/AC TI= G machines will also do Stick welding.

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On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Charlie England = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
Several years ago I decided to equip = my shop with a good welder (I had no experience, & still have little) b= efore I retired & couldn't afford to buy one. I thought about one o= f the cheap Chinese models, but decided to spend the money on a used Miller= Dynasty that does DC & AC stick, DC/AC TIG, and everything except '= ;pulse' built in. Nice welder, but guess what; they're all made in = China now.=C2=A0


He's = now almost finished with a scratchbuilt Cub fuselage & tailfeathers. I&= #39;d love to sell my Miller & buy what he's got. If you really wan= t less capability, there are lots of DC only TIG models that are really ine= xpensive. I wouldn't limit my search to Everlast, but as an example, he= re's what's available:



On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 1:06 PM, David Leonard <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
I have a number of small welding projects around the home and= hangar
that are starting to accumulate.=C2=A0 I am thinking about getting one of those $100 welders from Harbor Freight but I have almost no welding
experience.=C2=A0 There is plenty of info on the web but I thought I would<= br> put the question to my rotary friends.

Given that I just want to be able to do occasional projects around the
home and airplane, what type of welding equipment would be best for me
and what do you consider the minimum power level that is acceptable?
I will skip the desire to do anythng with aluminum.=C2=A0 I am thinking
that Arc or Flux Core would be easiest.=C2=A0 I tried to weld with
auto-feed MIG and I just couldnt keep up with the wire.=C2=A0 Also, most of=
the airplane projects are too difficult to keep any gas bubble in
place.

Thoughts?

David Leonard

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