X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: Received: from resqmta-po-04v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.163] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.8) with ESMTPS id 8375277 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 02 Feb 2016 17:09:21 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=96.114.154.163; envelope-from=kenpowell@comcast.net Received: from resomta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.225]) by resqmta-po-04v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id Da8v1s0044s37d401a94mk; Tue, 02 Feb 2016 22:09:04 +0000 Received: from resmail-po-246v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.177.1]) by resomta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id Da941s00K02BZEA01a94Fs; Tue, 02 Feb 2016 22:09:04 +0000 Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2016 22:09:04 +0000 (UTC) To: flyrotary Cc: kenpowell@comcast.net Message-ID: <1337763554.1235446.1454450944508.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Welding Equipment Recomendations MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1235445_2140280172.1454450944506" X-Originating-IP: [::ffff:76.125.123.2] X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.0.7_GA_6031 (ZimbraWebClient - GC48 (Win)/8.0.7_GA_6031) Thread-Topic: Welding Equipment Recomendations Thread-Index: RMEEL6tqudHvLp/Knr+TVZlSBUMLJw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1454450944; bh=02Mxv0CHqfcwj3MBT8kkPQQfoTiBAodlfhBaoy2cbhc=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=CuxtDII7mPU3oSu/dUprCvWlTl5Ld4UQezmwW3P9M12In1nboruV4iPtQV5tFheWW sNfCRl0K8TeEOdcpqvPCmaUVCTnpala2xAwGJyymMFSO5OgesY3rSB9cRyIt56iLKl gLvPhJKgOQUHO4bVjoB9Wyqy1FkPXNuMBJvUj6oaDLj+RcunxHhdcsJzt1CyDucEFm USfH1RZunrctHRY3y8kFU8LHGsJEWR5TsyQlYh048PodNZ4zgVJiHbsaHDVpfxwq4J bCLJXcHhIZdpcOD4dYipWOIp4Fe9QH3l89QnzNkKbYI+o6hkmtK0dbioHtORYB51aK Rdlo/n3B1hPuQ== ------=_Part_1235445_2140280172.1454450944506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have to agree with Lynn here (no surprise) - o xy-acetylene is the easiest to master. I have an old Lincoln 225 AC stick machine that actually works pretty good with an easy-to-use 6013 rod. I also have a Hobart 140 mig that I have just never been able to conquer - I end up firing up the o xy-acetylene if the weld matters. Lastly, I love my o xy-acetylene torches. You can create the puddle and control it with either hand speed or flame distance from the puddle. Very easy to learn and to use. The biggest downside is welding gets to be really HOT in the summer months! I still want a set of torches from the Tinman: https://www.tinmantech.com/ Ken Powell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lehanover" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2016 1:46:02 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Welding Equipment Recomendations Try to take a course at a local trade school. Best option. I have gas (Oxyacetylene) and a 600 amp Hobart TIG machine. I only use Argon as a shielding gas. I sold my wire welder years ago. Good for building trailers tacking on quarter panels and similar. I like gas welding. Slow and easy. Also brazing and shaping and bending steel parts. Gas welding is the most versatile of all forms. My mother could weld aluminum with paste flux and blue glasses. Wire feeders are difficult to master when starting from scratch. If it runs on 110 volts it is just about a toy welder. Thin steels nearly horizontal only. Takes lots of practice to even get some spot welds going. A stick welder is actually easier to learn the basics on. Use match tip 6013 sticks and build your first trailer. The key is to get an instructor to teach you the many welding systems and how each has its good and bad points. The end game is a big TIG machine where any metal, any thickness can be done. The same machine will also do stick welding AC or DC. Straight or reverse polarity. And the most critical aircraft work. The heat is controlled by a foot pedal and it is a joy to use. Much welding training on the Internet. Lynn E. Hanover In a message dated 2/2/2016 2:06:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes: I have a number of small welding projects around the home and hangar that are starting to accumulate. I am thinking about getting one of those $100 welders from Harbor Freight but I have almost no welding experience. There is plenty of info on the web but I thought I would put the question to my rotary friends. Given that I just want to be able to do occasional projects around the home and airplane, what type of welding equipment would be best for me and what do you consider the minimum power level that is acceptable? I will skip the desire to do anything with aluminum. I am thinking that Arc or Flux Core would be easiest. I tried to weld with auto-feed MIG and I just couldn't keep up with the wire. Also, most of the airplane projects are too difficult to keep any gas bubble in place. Thoughts? David Leonard -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------=_Part_1235445_2140280172.1454450944506 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have to agree with Lynn here (no sur= prise) - oxy-acetylene is= the easiest to master.  I have an old Lincoln 225 AC stick machine th= at actually works pretty good with an easy-to-use 6013 rod.  I also ha= ve a Hobart 140 mig that I have just never been able to conquer - I end up = firing up the oxy-acetyle= ne if the weld matters.  Lastly, I love my oxy-acetylene torches.  You can create the= puddle and control it with either hand speed or flame distance from the puddle.   Very easy to learn and to use.  The bi= ggest downside is welding gets to be really HOT in the summer months!  = ;I still want a set of torches from the Tinman:  https://www.tinmantec= h.com/

Ken Powell
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From: "Lehanover" <flyrotary@lancaironli= ne.net>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancairo= nline.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2016 1:46:02 PM
Su= bject: [FlyRotary] Re: Welding Equipment Recomendations

Try to take a course at a local trade school. Best option. I have g= as (Oxyacetylene) and a 600 amp Hobart
TIG machine. I only use Ar= gon as a shielding gas. I sold my wire welder years ago. Good for building = trailers tacking on quarter panels and similar. I like gas welding. Slow an= d easy. Also brazing and shaping and bending steel parts. Gas welding is th= e most versatile of all forms. My mother could weld aluminum with paste flu= x and blue glasses.
 
Wire feeders are difficult t= o master when starting from scratch. If it runs on 110 volts it is just abo= ut a toy welder. Thin steels nearly horizontal only. Takes lots of practice= to even get some spot welds going. A stick welder is actually easier to le= arn the basics on. Use match tip 6013 sticks and build your first trailer.<= /div>
 
The key is to get an instructor to teach you the= many welding systems and how each has its good and bad points. The end gam= e is a big TIG machine where any metal, any thickness can be done. The same= machine will also do stick welding AC or DC. Straight or reverse polarity.= And the most critical aircraft work.
The heat is controlled by a= foot pedal and it is a joy to use. Much welding training on the Internet.<= /div>
 
Lynn E. Hanover 
 
 
In a message dated 2/2/2016 2:06:42 P.M. Eastern Sta= ndard Time, flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes:
= I have a number of small we= lding projects around the home and hangar
that are starting to accumulat= e.  I am thinking about getting one of
those $100 welders from Harb= or Freight but I have almost no welding
experience.  There is plent= y of info on the web but I thought I would
put the question to my rotary= friends.

Given that I just want to be able to do occasional projects = around the
home and airplane, what type of welding equipment would be be= st for me
and what do you consider the minimum power level that is accep= table?
I will skip the desire to do anything with aluminum.  I am t= hinking
that Arc or Flux Core would be easiest.  I tried to weld wi= th
auto-feed MIG and I just couldn't keep up with the wire.  Also, = most of
the airplane projects are too difficult to keep any gas bubble i= n
place.

Thoughts?

David Leonard

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