X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: Received: from omr-m04.mx.aol.com ([64.12.143.78] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.2) with ESMTPS id 7727460 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 02 Jun 2015 12:23:04 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.143.78; envelope-from=cozygirrrl@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-aal01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aal01.mx.aol.com [172.27.20.207]) by omr-m04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 7116870000093 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 12:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mud005c.mail.aol.com (core-mud005.mail.aol.com [172.29.195.81]) by mtaomg-aal01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id EE0F738000089 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 12:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.9.147.6 by webstg-m07.mail.aol.com (10.74.5.40) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 02 Jun 2015 12:22:26 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 12:22:26 -0400 To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message-Id: <14db514c4f8-3c8a-174d@webstg-m07.mail.aol.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Method of adding oil to fuel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7517_1592657164.1433262146803" X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [172.9.147.6] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20140625; t=1433262147; bh=r3EHgnz1HkycgXAvdmJT1KLOUpdY/0BVt+WJMRzHnYo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AzKvqg6q0WpWE/iY3b0n3LpfNfe/V68onwNdyvndazvEhl3pbrYnstBrIjFW4AbeR RYSVa6UZAEgqKuIotj606dmffFxVRSxNCC538HHJQ6NQZKtuHqtR7X9j4IR0fyUo/Q Xc62FjLNE64lzwyroYehcShvfkEwvQ1grZiS1Pr4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b14cf556dd8424801 ------=_Part_7517_1592657164.1433262146803 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Bill, We are still making all of the mounting components, the tubular mounts, ren= esis wp for 13B, 4" alternator pulley, are also available from us for canar= ds and custom applications and the RV tubular mounts, intakes and radiators= etc are available from Ed Klepeis at TechWelding.com in Paducah. We are currently passing the information on redrive itself to someone with = the time and resources to pursue this. =20 Chrissi =20 CG Products =20 www.CozyGirrrl.com =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =20 See the InMotion SCV mini-Segway personal transporter at Osh 2015! This is = small, light & portable. =20 Randi will demo it in the FlyMart booths 733-734 & booth 4115 in Hanger D b= ehind the FlyMart =20 More information at www.Wheels-InMotion.com Be sure to ask for the "C= ozy Girrrls" discount=20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Bill Bradburry To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Tue, Jun 2, 2015 10:14 am Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Method of adding oil to fuel =20 =20 Chrissi, =20 =20 =20 Could you guys give us an update on parts you are manufacturing for the rot= ary install? I am particularly wondering about the PSRU that Tracy used to= make, as well as the engine mount plate for the 13B, 20B, and Renesis. =20 =20 =20 Are you guys still making all these items? =20 =20 =20 Bill=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 8:46 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Method of adding oil to fuel =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 What about the plastic squeeze bottles used in restaurants for condiments? =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Chrissi=20 =20 =20 CG Products =20 =20 =20 =20 www.CozyGirrrl.com=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 =20 =20 =20 See the InMotion SCV mini-Segway personal transporter at Osh 2015! This is = small, light & portable. =20 Randi will demo it in the FlyMart booths 733-734 & booth 4115 in Hanger D = behind the FlyMart =20 =20 =20 =20 More information at www.Wheels-InMotion.com Be sure to ask for the "Cozy Gi= rrrls" discount=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: William Jepson To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Fri, May 22, 2015 12:15 pm Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Method of adding oil to fuel =20 =20 =20 Bill, all the guys doing fiberglass planes should have some metered pumps. = Don't know how big the "shot" is but they might work. =20 =20 =20 Bill Jepson =20 =20 =20 On May 21, 2015 4:06 PM, "Bill Bradburry" < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wr= ote:=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Rich, =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 The syringe is along the kind of ideas I was thinking of. I was thinking o= f perhaps a pump that put out a measured dose that you could insert into yo= ur oil container with a hose on the outlet so that you could pump in howeve= r many squirts you needed. You should be able to pump out of the gallon co= ntainer you buy the oil in. You could then cap the hose so that it didn=E2= =80=99t leak. I also like that 12 pack cooler that Bobby mentioned as well= to help keep this messy stuff organized. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 More ideas?? =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Bill=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 9:57 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Method of adding oil to fuel =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Mark, =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Yes and no with the OMP.=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Forgetting about the small risk of failure of the OMP (which does happen), = in the Renesis engines manufactured until, I believe 2004, the ports squirt= ing the oil into the trochoids were insufficient (there were only 2 per rot= or) and they had multiple problems, so much so that Mazda, I am told, built= a factory just to rebuild the Renesis' at no cost to the owners. If you ha= ve a pre-2005 renesis with 2 injection ports per rotor don't even consider = the OMP. If you want to consider the OMP, that is a decision with pros and = cons on each side which I will not go into. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 One way of mixing the fuel and oil is to get a large cappable poly syringe = or syringes . Fill it (them) with 2 stroke oil and while adding fuel, injec= t the appropriate amount as the fuel is flowing. They used to do this with = a product called Prist for Turbine engines. (although they used aerosol can= s with a tube which attached to the filler nozzle.) =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 If you know that you are going to put 10 gal in your tank, when you start f= ueling, squirt the stuff in in the beginning when you start to add your fue= l. Since the 2 stroke is or supposed to be miscible with fuel, adding it th= is way especially with the initial agitation of filling, despite the baffle= s, it should evenly distribute. If you want, you can rock the wings. Rememb= er, the baffles are not continuous and have relief ports at the bottom of e= ach. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 One question that I have about any of the 2 stroke oil bulk adding is is th= ere a difference between the brands on their misciblity? =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Rich =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 In a message dated 5/21/2015 9:17:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, flyrotary@= lancaironline.net writes: =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Bill,=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 I used to pre-mix my oil & gas back when I was running auto gas (non-ethano= l), pumping into a fuel trailer at the nearby gas station. I would pour the= required amount of 2-stroke oil into the trailer tank, then add fuel. By = the time I was back at the airport it was well mixed. After they started bl= ending all mogas with ethanol, I was forced to go to 100LL as my wing's adh= esives are incompatible with alcohol. My wings have a series of baffles, s= o adequate mixing became a problem. So, I switched to the oil metering pum= p (OMP), using Richard Sohn's OMP adapter and drawing from an auxiliary tan= k mounted on the firewall. Now, I just have to remember to keep the oil ta= nk full. I often add a small amount of 2-stroke when filling the tanks, bu= t that is probably overkill. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 It is my belief that the OMP puts the oil exactly where it needs to be, dir= ectly on the apex seals rather than mixing in with the fuel only to be burn= ed up and blown out the exhaust, most of it never reaching the apex seals. = (Probably a topic for future discussion.) Anyway, I'm happy with the OMP = approach. It is a very simple pump and has proven effective in millions of= RX-7's and RX-8's. The one modification I made was to fabricate steel oil= lines to replace the plastic lines. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Mark S. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Lancair ES - 20B - pport =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Bill Bradburry wrote: =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 I decided to add oil to the fuel as I do the fill up back when I was buildi= ng. That was not a problem for a long time because I was buying fuel in a = couple of 55 gal drums and hauling them on a trailer. I would add the oil = to the drum before I left the hangar to go to the gas station and then just= fill the drums. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 The first time that I tried to do this at an airport, it turned out to be a= PITA! The wind was blowing and it was cold and the oil was stringing out= all over me and the wing. Quite a mess! =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 This makes me start to think of how can I measure and add this oil in a nea= t clean and easy way. Now I know I am not the first guy to try and gas up = on a windy day so has anybody figured out how to do this in a cute way? =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 I discovered a long time ago that the best inventions I can come up with co= me off this list. How do you guys do this? =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Bill=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_Part_7517_1592657164.1433262146803 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Bill,
We are still making all of the mounting components, the tubular mounts= , renesis wp for 13B, 4" alternator pulley, are also available from us= for canards and custom applications and the RV tubular mounts, intakes&nbs= p;and radiators  etc are available from Ed Klepeis at TechWelding.com = in Paducah.
We are currently passing the information on redrive itself to someone = with the time and resources to pursue this.
 
Chrissi =20
CG Products      
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
See the InMotion SCV mini-Segway personal transporter at Osh 2015! Thi= s is small, light & portable.    
Randi will demo it in the FlyMart booths 733-734 & booth 4115 in H= anger D behind the FlyMart    
More information at www.Wheels-InMotion.com Be sure to ask for the "Cozy = Girrrls" discount
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Bradburry <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tue, Jun 2, 2015 10:14 am
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Method of adding oil to fuel

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Could you gu= ys give us an update on parts you are manufacturing for the rotary install?=   I am particularly wondering about the PSRU that Tracy used to make, = as well as the engine mount plate for the 13B, 20B, and Renesis.
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From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2= 015 8:46 AM
To: Rotary motors in airc= raft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Method of adding oil to fuel
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See the In= Motion SCV mini-Segway personal transporter at Osh 2015! This is small, lig= ht & portable.    
Randi will demo it in the FlyMart booths 733-734 & booth 4115 in = Hanger D behind the FlyMart    
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More infor= mation at www= .Wheels-InMotion.com Be sure to ask for the "Cozy Girrrls" discount
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-----Original Message-----
From: William Jepson <fl= yrotary@lancaironline.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Fri, May 22, 2015 12:15 pm
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Method of adding oil to fuel
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Bill, all = the guys doing fiberglass planes should have some metered pumps. Don't know= how big the "shot" is but they might work.
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The syringe = is along the kind of ideas I was thinking of.  I was thinking of perha= ps a pump that put out a measured dose that you could insert into your oil = container with a hose on the outlet so that you could pump in however many = squirts you needed.  You should be able to pump out of the gallon cont= ainer you buy the oil in.  You could then cap the hose so that it didn= =E2=80=99t leak.  I also like that 12 pack cooler that Bobby mentioned= as well to help keep this messy stuff organized.
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From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2= 015 9:57 AM
To: Rotary motors in airc= raft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Method of adding oil to fuel
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Forgetting= about the small risk of failure of the OMP (which does happen), in the Ren= esis engines manufactured until, I believe 2004, the ports squirting the oi= l into the trochoids were insufficient (there were only 2 per rotor) and th= ey had multiple problems, so much so that Mazda, I am told, built a factory= just to rebuild the Renesis' at no cost to the owners. If you have a pre-2= 005 renesis with 2 injection ports per rotor don't even consider the OMP. I= f you want to consider the OMP, that is a decision with pros and cons on ea= ch side which I will not go into.
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One way of= mixing the fuel and oil is to get a large cappable poly syringe or syringe= s . Fill it (them) with 2 stroke oil and while adding fuel, inject the= appropriate amount as the fuel is flowing. They used to do this with a pro= duct called Prist for Turbine engines. (although they used aerosol cans wit= h a tube which attached to the filler nozzle.)
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If you kno= w that you are going to put 10 gal in your tank, when you start fueling, sq= uirt the stuff in in the beginning when you start to add your fuel. Since t= he 2 stroke is or supposed to be miscible with fuel, adding it this wa= y especially with the initial agitation of filling, despite the baffle= s, it should evenly distribute. If you want, you can rock the wings. Rememb= er, the baffles are not continuous and have relief ports at the bottom of e= ach.
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In a messa= ge dated 5/21/2015 9:17:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes:
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I used to = pre-mix my oil & gas back when I was running auto gas (non-ethanol= ), pumping into a fuel trailer at the nearby gas station. I would pour= the required amount of 2-stroke oil into the trailer tank, then add fuel.&= nbsp; By the time I was back at the airport it was well mixed.&nb= sp;After they started blending all mogas with ethanol, I was forced to go t= o 100LL as my wing's adhesives are incompatible with alcohol.  My wing= s have a series of baffles, so adequate mixing became a problem. = So, I switched to the oil metering pump (OMP), using Richard Sohn's OMP ad= apter and drawing from an auxiliary tank mounted on the firewall.  Now= , I just have to remember to keep the oil tank full.  I often add a sm= all amount of 2-stroke when filling the tanks, but that is probably overkil= l. 
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It is my b= elief that the OMP puts the oil exactly where it needs to be, directly on t= he apex seals rather than mixing in with the fuel only to be burned up and = blown out the exhaust, most of it never reaching the apex seals.  (Pro= bably a topic for future discussion.)  Anyway, I'm happy with the OMP = approach.  It is a very simple pump and has proven effective in millio= ns of RX-7's and RX-8's.  The one modification I made was to fabricate= steel oil lines to replace the plastic lines.  =20
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I decided to= add oil to the fuel as I do the fill up back when I was building.  Th= at was not a problem for a long time because I was buying fuel in a couple = of 55 gal drums and hauling them on a trailer.  I would add the oil to= the drum before I left the hangar to go to the gas station and then just f= ill the drums.=
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The first ti= me that I tried to do this at an airport, it turned out to be a PITA! =   The wind was blowing and it was cold and the oil was stringing out a= ll over me and the wing.  Quite a mess!
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This makes m= e start to think of how can I measure and add this oil in a neat clean and = easy way.  Now I know I am not the first guy to try and gas up on a wi= ndy day so has anybody figured out how to do this in a cute way?
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