Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #61388
From: Andrew Martin <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: electric fuel selector valves
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 06:23:55 +0800
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Earnest, I think you'll find the reason behind braided fuel lines is that they also act as a handy earth strap, probably wont carry starter loads so may give a surprise, but the plane is usually on the ground at that time.

Andrew



On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 4:00 AM, Ernest Christley <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
I'm not saying you're wrong, Mark.  I do hope that part was clear.




On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 3:58 PM, Ernest Christley <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:


But, WHY do you draw the line there, Mark (or anyone else that cares to chime in)?  What is the physics behind it.  There are literally MILLIONS of plastic parts running around in the fuel systems of vehicles that live in environments much more abusive than airplanes.  Fires do happen, but for the most part they are old junkers coated in oil and grease. 

And all the calls for steel braided hose:  the max fuel pressure in the project I'm working on is 6psi.  There isn't a tubing manufactured that will be noticeably stressed by 6psi.  I've heard that the steel braid is to protect the hose against abrasion.  But, wouldn't a better idea be to eliminate the rubbing, and then replace with a lighter hose that puts less stress on expensive aluminum AN fittings that always seem to be adapters screwed into NPT ports (ie, why not just stay with NPT if we're using it everywhere anyhow?)  And why not use a barbed fitting?  Nearly every vehicle on the highway today is using them exclusively.  Are we really expecting AN fittings to hold the rubber hoses together when we wrap up in a ball tight enough to deform the entire airplane?

It seems we insist that the laws of physics somehow change just because the wheels leave the ground, all in the name of doing a "little bit better", which doesn't seem to me to translate to anything actually beneficial.  If we need a rope to hold 100lbs, and I have one rated for 1,000lbs, is it worth paying to get a chain rated at 100,000lbs?

I'm ranting a bit, but I really can't wrap my brain around a lot of this. I bought my current project and I've been pulling off "improvements" the build did.  I've got a fortune in AN fittings that are totally pointless...and all to serve 4gph of fuel to an updraft carburetor at 1.5psi.  I'm just like, "SHEEESH!!"





On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 3:17 PM, Mark Steitle <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:


Unlike airplanes, trucks can pull over to the side of the road.  Besides, we all know that trucks/busses/RV's never catch fire.  ;-0 
Personally, I would never use a plastic fuel valve in an airplane, but that's just where I draw the line.  YMMV. 
 
OK, I've said it.  I'll go back to lurking now. 
 





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