X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Kelly Troyer" Received: from mail-qa0-f44.google.com ([209.85.216.44] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.9e) with ESMTPS id 7102816 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 18:32:23 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.216.44; envelope-from=keltro@gmail.com Received: by mail-qa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id f12so5038786qad.3 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 15:31:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=QU8CVIEJy75gRk2K8qQbQ2Sa8BEHq1ORxOKjYWBbcOs=; b=C2WTWyj4M1wXveU2V6pxe88BR2CMLoBcgjpkxWe1e3Qwkb+rrIQj4dCdI9DAn1IzbY mNSZl+oomwJkFw/Fd/1a+w76lTWV0pImkYyH8N6InusxP5sJQPMeLoVX1JGep70/3pRn yqmmaEnhSU9/PGAno/GQGqUzIgQwx6w2IB5v6AeOXO3IHS80pIaR//3ASSGgW3f/UZ2L evmhH1SBZQdBMJvie8wwqsiYH7EuBXws0pJMudHX4DVR6bLVEwL8MbhtciK/+QpbgAGG ZQ6ptBlogcOPb2guMPZqrUztIHF2KlO5PQpofHmPLLD2F/W3ZS6Vk7vsgyBbeq/GSFg+ U9yw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.22.69 with SMTP id 63mr57441167qgm.23.1408401107621; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 15:31:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.41.11 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 15:31:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 17:31:47 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Heated Seats To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c119b0b89ce00500eeeff5 --001a11c119b0b89ce00500eeeff5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tracy , Great looking airport !!........What is your hangar situation in Salida ?? Kelly On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Tracy wrote: > Hi Kelly, > Still have my place at Shady Bend Airpark but been spending a lot of > time in summer and fall at the shack I built in Colorado. Decided to mov= e > the RV-8 since I missed my flying fixes while in CO and give myself an > incentive to fix up the RV-4 which has been gathering dust since finishin= g > the -8. > > Tracy > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 18, 2014, at 10:57, "Kelly Troyer" > wrote: > > Tracy, > Is this a full time move or do you still have the Florida place > ??.........Nosy minds want to know !!.........<:) > > Kelly troyer > > > On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 6:06 AM, Tracy > wrote: > >> Got the seat heater kits from Dave's source on Amazon and very impressed >> with the quality for that price. I wondered about the possibility of he= at >> problems on the memory foam like Charlie mentioned. May try putting so= me >> sort of insulation between heater and seat foam. >> >> Here is a pic of "Euphoriac" (the RV-8, not the girl) on the ramp at her >> new home in Salida, CO. Density altitude often exceeds 10,000 ft here = so >> the big engine and longer wings make it the perfect airplane for high >> altitude airports. >> >> Tracy >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Aug 7, 2014, at 13:21, "Charlie England" >> wrote: >> >> I wonder if the heat will have an adverse effect on any of the 'memory >> foam' type seat foams. 120 degrees is nothing, but 140+ makes me wonder = a >> bit. >> >> Charlie >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 11:54 AM, hoursaway1 >> wrote: >> >>> One problem is that with most of our aircraft we have to step onto the >>> seat to enter cockpit. In the automotive world we have discovered the >>> highest number of heated seat failures comes from cust. nealing on the >>> seats to do whatever, element breakages are main failure mode. With tha= t >>> being said, I have the elements, switch & relay to install on my RV6A s= ome >>> day. David R. Cook ASE Auto Tech 36 years, RV6A Rotary. >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Fly rotary blog, e-mail" >>> *To: *"Fly rotary blog, e-mail" >>> *Sent: *Thursday, August 7, 2014 9:34:08 AM >>> >>> *Subject: *[FlyRotary] Re: Heated Seats >>> >>> Here is the product description from the web site. 3-5 amps. >>> >>> >>> >>> Carbon Fiber technology, heats up in seconds with even heat distributio= n >>> >>> 3 Year Warranty for the heat pads. 1 Year Warranty for the Electric >>> parts. >>> >>> Deluxe illuminated Dual Temperature High/Off/Low Round Switch >>> >>> Dual Temperature Control System Electronic thermostat (built into each >>> pad) regulates the electricity / temperature circulating within the car= bon >>> fiber seat heating pad. This system regulates the flow of power and >>> maintains a narrower temperature range whether in a high or low setting= . >>> >>> Example: The high setting will have a constant range between 140=C2=B0F= to >>> 145=C2=B0F. The low setting ranges between 120=C2=B0F to 125=C2=B0F. Th= ese respective >>> temperatures are maintained at these respective levels. >>> >>> Included in the wiring harness is a relay that controls the power / >>> temperature of the heating pads from high to low with an in-line fuse. >>> Backrest & Seat Bottom Heating Pads -- 18" x 11" Pads are approximately >>> 1/32" thick. Either pad can be installed in back or bottom. >>> >>> Electrical Specs Wattage: 24~36 Watts per Pad, 48~60 Watts per seat >>> Current Draw: 3 Amps on Low Heat Setting and 5 Amps on High Setting per >>> Seat. It is a 12 V system >>> >>> >>> >>> Bob J. Rogers >>> >>> *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 06, 2014 7:37 PM >>> *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft >>> *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Heated Seats >>> >>> >>> >>> Sounds like the perfect solution Dave. I wondered what results were >>> using water or oil. I'm relieved not to have to even think about doing= the >>> plumbing either would involve. Will go shopping for the seats and look= for >>> the specs but do you know the current draw off hand? >>> >>> >>> >>> Tracy >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> >>> On Aug 6, 2014, at 13:35, "David Leonard" >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Tracy, thanks for the trip report!. >>> >>> >>> >>> The rotary is hard to get cabin heat. The exhaust is bigger diameter >>> than most aircraft exhaust, so off the shelf heat muffs are hard to com= e >>> by, not to mention difficult to fit (finding space) and potentially >>> dangerous. I have had poor success at getting sufficient heat off the = oil >>> or water cooler. So besides sealing up cabin leaks, I found the soulut= ion, >>> heated seats. >>> >>> >>> >>> Got these on Amazon for $45 for TWO seats. Installed in a couple of >>> hours. Work great. My tush can only take the high setting for 20 min = or >>> so. Makes all the difference. >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005PJ334G >>> >>> >>> >>> Dave Leonard >>> >>> Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Tracy >>> wrote: >>> >>> Here's some trip data from a flight from Florida to Colorado in the 20B >>> powered RV-8. It's the first long trip where I was able to fly at or >>> near the altitudes it was optimized for. It didn't do as well as I ha= d >>> hoped in terms of fuel economy but the numbers were as good or slightly >>> better than the typical Lycoming powered RV numbers I hear. It is onl= y >>> slightly faster than my Renesis powered RV-4 at cruise conditions and >>> reasonable fuel flow. But what I like about it is the effortlessness w= ith >>> which it does the job. There is always a handful of throttle left for >>> reserve in any normal flight situation. >>> >>> Full throttle is reserved for those few seconds between rudder >>> effectiveness at 30mph and lift off speed at 60. As soon as the wheels >>> break ground I typically reduce manifold pressure to 24". Cruise clim= b is >>> done at between 18 and 19" depending on takeoff weight at around 700 FP= M. >>> Cruise altitude was limited to 15,000 this trip by temperature. I was= n't >>> thinking and wore only a thin jacket and I don't have cabin heat. All >>> three legs were flown at 14,500 in a very unusual high pressure system = the >>> whole way with almost zero wind. Here are the raw numbers: >>> >>> Altitude 14,500 >>> OAT 35 - 43F >>> TAS 174 - 182 MPH * >>> Fuel Flow 8 GPH >>> Engine RPM 5250 - 5450 >>> Manifold Pressure 14.3" >>> % Power 30% (As calculated by EM3) >>> EGT 1450F >>> Water temp 145 - 150 >>> Oil Temp 160 (Cowl flap would help temps and airspeed) >>> Total flight hours on trip 9.2 >>> >>> * Fuel flow was held constant, TAS varied with fuel batch. Low number >>> was with Florida gas with about 8% ethanol. Refueled at Charlie Engla= nd's >>> place (Thanks for the hospitality and fuel service Charlie!). Not sure >>> wether it had ethanol or not but TAS was a few MPH better. After >>> refueling at 47K in Kansas with no ethanol mogas, the TAS reached the >>> highest number. >>> >>> Tracy >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> -- >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> Archive and UnSub: >>> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > -- > Kelly Troyer > Dyke Delta_"Eventually" > 13B_RD1C_EC2_EM2 > > --=20 Kelly Troyer Dyke Delta_"Eventually" 13B_RD1C_EC2_EM2 --001a11c119b0b89ce00500eeeff5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tracy ,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Great looking airport !!........= What is your hangar situation in Salida ??

Kelly


On = Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Tracy <flyrotary@lancaironline.net= > wrote:
Hi Kelly,
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0Still have my place at Shady Bend Airpark but been spending a = lot of time in summer and fall at the shack I built in Colorado. =C2=A0Deci= ded to move the RV-8 since I missed my flying fixes while in CO and give my= self an incentive to fix up the RV-4 which has been gathering dust since fi= nishing the -8. =C2=A0

Tracy

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 18, 2014, at 10:57, "Kelly Troyer&q= uot; <f= lyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Tracy,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Is this a =C2=A0full time move or do you still= have the Florida place ??.........Nosy minds want to know !!.........<:= )

Kelly troyer


On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 6:06= AM, Tracy <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
Got the seat heater kits from Dave&#= 39;s source on Amazon and very impressed with the quality for that price. = =C2=A0I wondered about the possibility of heat problems on the memory foam = like Charlie mentioned. =C2=A0 May try putting some sort of insulation betw= een heater and seat foam.

Here is a pic of "Euphoriac" (the RV-8, not t= he girl) on the ramp at her new home in Salida, CO. =C2=A0 Density altitude= often exceeds 10,000 ft here so the big engine and longer wings make it th= e perfect airplane for high altitude airports. =C2=A0

Tracy

=
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Sent from my iPad

On Aug 7, 20= 14, at 13:21, "Charlie England" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wro= te:

I wonder if the h= eat will have an adverse effect on any of the 'memory foam' type se= at foams. 120 degrees is nothing, but 140+ makes me wonder a bit.

Charlie


On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 11:54 AM, hoursaw= ay1 <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
One= problem is that with most of our aircraft we have to step onto the seat to= enter cockpit. In the automotive world we have discovered the highest numb= er of heated seat failures comes from cust. nealing on the seats to do what= ever, element breakages are main failure mode.=C2=A0With that being said, I= have the elements, switch & relay to install on my RV6A some day.=C2= =A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0David R. Cook ASE Auto Tech 36 years, RV6A Rotary.

From: "Fly rotary blog, e-mail" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
To: "Fly rotary blog, e-mail" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>= ;
Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2014 9:34:08 AM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Heated Seats

Here is the product description f= rom the web site.=C2=A0 3-5 amps.

=C2=A0

Carbon Fiber technology, heats up in seconds w= ith even heat distribution

3 Year Warranty for the heat pads. 1 Year= Warranty for the Electric parts.

Deluxe illuminated Dual Temperature High/Off/Low Round Switch

Du= al Temperature Control System Electronic thermostat (built into each pad) r= egulates the electricity / temperature circulating within the carbon fiber = seat heating pad. This system regulates the flow of power and maintains a n= arrower temperature range whether in a high or low setting.

Example: The high setting will have a constant range between 140=C2=B0F= to 145=C2=B0F. The low setting ranges between 120=C2=B0F to 125=C2=B0F. Th= ese respective temperatures are maintained at these respective levels.
<= br>Included in the wiring harness is a relay that controls the power / temp= erature of the heating pads from high to low with an in-line fuse. Backrest= & Seat Bottom Heating Pads -- 18" x 11" Pads are approximate= ly 1/32" thick. Either pad can be installed in back or bottom.

Electrical Specs Wattage: 24~36 Watts= per Pad, 48~60 Watts per seat Current Draw: 3 Amps on Low Heat Setting and= 5 Amps on High Setting per Seat. It is a 12 V system

=C2=A0

Bob J. Rogers

From: Rotary motors in air= craft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 7:37 PM
To: Rotary motors= in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Heated Seats

=C2=A0

Sounds like the perfect solution Dave. =C2=A0I wonde= red what results were using water or oil. =C2=A0I'm relieved not to hav= e to even think about doing the plumbing either would involve. =C2=A0Will g= o shopping for the seats and look for the specs but do you know the current= draw off hand?

=C2=A0

Tracy

Sent from my iPad


On Aug 6, 2014, at = 13:35, "David Leonard" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Hi Tracy, thanks for the trip report!.

=C2=A0

The rotary is hard to get cabin heat. =C2=A0The exha= ust is bigger diameter than most aircraft exhaust, so off the shelf heat mu= ffs are hard to come by, not to mention difficult to fit (finding space) an= d potentially dangerous. =C2=A0I have had poor success at getting sufficien= t heat off the oil or water cooler. =C2=A0So besides sealing up cabin leaks= , I found the soulution, heated seats.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Got these on Amazon for $45 for TWO seats. =C2=A0Ins= talled in a couple of hours. =C2=A0Work great. =C2=A0My tush can only take = the high setting for 20 min or so. =C2=A0Makes all the difference.

=C2=A0

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005PJ334G

=C2=A0

Dave Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Tracy <flyrotary@lancair= online.net> wrote:

Here's some trip data from a flight from Florida= to Colorado in the 20B powered RV-8. =C2=A0 =C2=A0It's the first long = trip where I was able to fly at or near the altitudes it was optimized for.= =C2=A0 It didn't do as well as I had hoped in terms of fuel economy bu= t the numbers were as good or slightly better than the typical Lycoming pow= ered RV numbers I hear. =C2=A0 It is only slightly faster than my Renesis p= owered RV-4 at cruise conditions and reasonable fuel flow. =C2=A0But what I= like about it is the effortlessness with which it does the job. =C2=A0Ther= e is always a handful of throttle left for reserve in any normal flight sit= uation.

Full throttle is reserved for those few seconds between rudder effectiv= eness at 30mph and lift off speed at 60. =C2=A0As soon as the wheels break = ground I typically reduce manifold pressure to 24". =C2=A0 Cruise clim= b is done at between 18 and 19" depending on takeoff weight at around = 700 FPM. =C2=A0Cruise altitude was limited to 15,000 this trip by temperatu= re. =C2=A0I wasn't thinking and wore only a thin jacket and I don't= have cabin heat. =C2=A0 All three legs were flown at 14,500 in a very unus= ual high pressure system the whole way with almost zero wind. =C2=A0Here ar= e the raw numbers:

Altitude =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 14,500
OAT =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A035 - =C2=A043F
TAS =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0174 =C2=A0- =C2=A0 182 MPH =C2=A0*
Fuel Flow =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 8 GPH
Engine RPM =C2=A05250 - 5450
Manifold Pressure =C2=A0 =C2= =A014.3"
% Power =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 30% =C2=A0 (As calculated by = EM3)
EGT =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01450F
Water temp =C2= =A0 145 - 150
Oil Temp =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 160 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0(Cowl flap would help temps and airspeed)
Total flight hours on trip = =C2=A09.2

* =C2=A0Fuel flow was held constant, TAS varied with fuel = batch. =C2=A0Low number was with Florida gas with about 8% ethanol. =C2=A0 = Refueled at Charlie England's place (Thanks for the hospitality and fue= l service Charlie!). =C2=A0Not sure wether it had ethanol or not but TAS wa= s a few MPH better. =C2=A0 After refueling at 47K in Kansas with no ethanol= mogas, the TAS reached the highest number.

Tracy

Sent from my iPad
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