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Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: actual current use by a rotary?
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Thanks to Dave L for the 2nd opinion :-) verifying current loads, and
to Steve, for additional info.
You mentioned using an inexpensive plugin meter for current measurement.
Is it analog, or digital? If it's analog, it's probably doing a pretty
good job of averaging the current.
Charlie
On 7/1/2014 10:13 PM, Stephen Izett wrote:
> Charlie
>
> Don’t know if it is wise but I have wired our electron traffic
> management as follows:
> 1. A Main 32 way blade fuse block which is broken into two busses: A &
> B being -
> (The blade fuse block enables me to patch a current meter to any
> circuit to see whats happening. Helpful when setting up or trouble
> shooting but just nice and compact otherwise BUT I can’t just
> re-energise a circuit like with circuit breakers, though blade size
> circuit brakes do exist nowadays. This main fuse block is mounted
> directly below main system switches so is very accessible)
>
> A. FLIGHT CRITICAL (16 fuses) fed by a keyswitch:
> EC2(A), EC2(B), EM3, O2, Prop Pitch, Engine Fuel Pres Pump, Engine
> Backup Fuel Pres Pump, Fuel Transfer Pump, Backup Fuel Transfer Pump,
> Pri Fuel Injectors, Sec Fuel Injectors, Leading Coils, Trailing Coils.
> Notes 1. All engine fuel is fed from a header tank of 8 gallons with
> the transfer pumps feeding the header from the main wing tank
> Note 2. Separate power and return feeds to Pri and Sec Inj & Leading
> and Trailing Coils, fuel pumps.
>
> B. AVIONONICS (16 fuses) feb by Avionoics master switch:
> RHS Dynon EFIS, FHS Dynon EFIS, Flight Computer of my own, Com Radio,
> Transponder, Autopilot servos, Position Lights, Strobe Lights etc,
>
> C. LANDING GEAR PUMP switched through seperate breaker (this mongrel
> draws ~30 amps)
>
> Our airplane is plastic so return lines are very important. We have
> separate main return paths - quiet and noisy.
>
> Steve
>
>
> On 2 Jul 2014, at 10:08 am, Charlie England
> <flyrotary@lancaironline.net <mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net>> wrote:
>
>> Wow, Steve, that's great detailed info; I was just hoping to get the
>> total. I was expecting the injectors to draw more than the coils, but
>> with all the coils together under 5 amps (and even better for the
>> injectors), then my wiring architecture can get a lot simpler.
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> On 7/1/2014 7:19 PM, steve Izett wrote:
>>> Hi Charlie
>>>
>>> I think these are in the ball park but not measured under flying
>>> conditions only idle.
>>>
>>> */_ENGINE_/*
>>>
>>> *EC2 .3*
>>>
>>> *EM3 .5*
>>>
>>> *COILS (D585) 5*
>>>
>>> *INJECTORS (Renesis) 2*
>>>
>>> *FUEL PRESSURE PUMP x 1 8.4*
>>>
>>> *FUEL TRANSFER PUMP x 1 1.6*
>>>
>>> *O2 SENSOR 0.6 *
>>>
>>> *Total Engine 18.4*
>>>
>>> Steve Izett
>>>
>>> On 2 Jul 2014, at 5:08 am, Charlie England
>>> <flyrotary@lancaironline.net <mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Has anyone with an ammeter installed measured their engine's actual
>>>> current draw (controller, injectors, plugs, fuel pump) with
>>>> everything but the engine shut down, and the alternator offline?
>>>> IIRC, Bernie Kerr once did a battery duration test & discontinued
>>>> after ~40 minutes, but I don't recall seeing any actual current
>>>> measurements.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Charlie
>>>
>>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Thanks to Dave L for the 2nd opinion
:-) verifying current loads, and to Steve, for additional info.<br>
<br>
You mentioned using an inexpensive plugin meter for current
measurement. Is it analog, or digital? If it's analog, it's
probably doing a pretty good job of averaging the current. <br>
<br>
Charlie<br>
<br>
<br>
On 7/1/2014 10:13 PM, Stephen Izett wrote:<br>
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Charlie
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Don’t know if it is wise but I have wired our electron
traffic management as follows:</div>
<div>1. A Main 32 way blade fuse block which is broken into two
busses: A & B being -</div>
<div>(The blade fuse block enables me to patch a current meter to
any circuit to see whats happening. Helpful when setting up or
trouble shooting but just nice and compact otherwise BUT I can’t
just re-energise a circuit like with circuit breakers, though
blade size circuit brakes do exist nowadays. This main fuse
block is mounted directly below main system switches so is very
accessible)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>A. FLIGHT CRITICAL (16 fuses) fed by a keyswitch:</div>
<div>EC2(A), EC2(B), EM3, O2, Prop Pitch, Engine Fuel Pres Pump,
Engine Backup Fuel Pres Pump, Fuel Transfer Pump, Backup Fuel
Transfer Pump, Pri Fuel Injectors, Sec Fuel Injectors, Leading
Coils, Trailing Coils. </div>
<div>Notes 1. All engine fuel is fed from a header tank of 8
gallons with the transfer pumps feeding the header from the main
wing tank</div>
<div>Note 2. Separate power and return feeds to Pri and Sec Inj
& Leading and Trailing Coils, fuel pumps.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>B. AVIONONICS (16 fuses) feb by Avionoics master switch:</div>
<div>RHS Dynon EFIS, FHS Dynon EFIS, Flight Computer of my own,
Com Radio, Transponder, Autopilot servos, Position Lights,
Strobe Lights etc,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>C. LANDING GEAR PUMP switched through seperate breaker (this
mongrel draws ~30 amps)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Our airplane is plastic so return lines are very important.
We have separate main return paths - quiet and noisy.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Steve</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> <br>
<div>
<div>On 2 Jul 2014, at 10:08 am, Charlie England <<a
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href="mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net">flyrotary@lancaironline.net</a>>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Wow, Steve, that's great
detailed info; I was just hoping to get the total. I was
expecting the injectors to draw more than the coils, but
with all the coils together under 5 amps (and even
better for the injectors), then my wiring architecture
can get a lot simpler.<br>
<br>
Many thanks,<br>
<br>
Charlie<br>
<br>
On 7/1/2014 7:19 PM, steve Izett wrote:<br>
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Hi Charlie
<div><br>
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<div>I think these are in the ball park but not measured
under flying conditions only idle.</div>
<div><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><u><span
style="font-family:Calibri">ENGINE<o:p></o:p></span></u></i></b></p>
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2<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<div>Steve Izett</div>
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<div>
<div>On 2 Jul 2014, at 5:08 am, Charlie England <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net">flyrotary@lancaironline.net</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Has anyone with an ammeter
installed measured their engine's actual current
draw (controller, injectors, plugs, fuel pump)
with everything but the engine shut down, and
the alternator offline? IIRC, Bernie Kerr once
did a battery duration test & discontinued
after ~40 minutes, but I don't recall seeing any
actual current measurements.
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Charlie </div>
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