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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 11:25:44 -0500
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Ed,
You would not have to supply an O2 sensor with your EFISM.  You could just
make it accept either the 0-1, or 0-5v input.  The customer could decide
which O2 sensor they wanted to use.

Bill 

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From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 10:50 AM
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Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Crickets & progress

Thanks, Steve

I'll see if I can find out more about it.   Ideally for my EFISM, I would 
like to just have the 0- 5 volt input to deal with.  An easy mod to the code

with just that, but if I have to do the PID control for temps then that 
simply amounts to too much to incorporate into the code (or color me too 
lazy {:>))

Ed

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From: "Steven W. Boese" <SBoese@uwyo.edu>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:53 AM
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Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Crickets & progress

> Ed,
>
> The upstream sensor on the newer RX8's is called out as an air/fuel sensor

> as opposed to the downstream sensor which is specified as an O2 sensor. 
> The mark on this upstream sensor is Denso 09M27-4350.  The Denso catalog 
> number is 234-9059.  It is a four wire sensor with two of the wires 
> apparently for a heater like a heated O2 sensor.  The output has a 5V 
> range from what I could find out.  So far, I have not been able to find 
> more specifics on this sensor, but it is possible that it is capable of a 
> more useful signal than the rapidly changing Nernstian signal of a 
> conventional O2 sensor when the mixture is stochiometric.  The sensor is 
> more expensive than the universal Bosch 11027 O2 sensor, but the Renesis 
> engine I got came with this upstream air/fuel sensor still installed in 
> the exhaust manifold.  If others have this sensor also, it is a 
> possibility that it could be used with minimal added expense.  Someone 
> with details of the RX8 emission system might be able to shed some light 
> on this.
>
> Steve Boese
> RV6A, 1986 13B NA, RD1A, EC2
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on behalf of

> Ed Anderson [eanderson@carolina.rr.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:27 AM
> To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Crickets & progress
>
> Thanks for the suggestion, Ernest
>
> However, the cost of the wideband sensor kits I found approach (or are 
> more
> than) the total cost of the EFISM - so not feasible marketing wise.  But,
> who knows - there are a bunch of them out there and I have not done an
> exhaustive search - yet.
>
> Ed
>
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> From: "Ernest Christley" <echristley@att.net>
> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 8:07 PM
> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Crickets & progress
>
>>
>> On Feb 9, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Ed Anderson wrote:
>>
>>> Great to hear about your move to the wide band O2 sensor, Tracy.
>>>
>>> I looked into modifying the EFISM to do the same, but found the PID
>>> control supposedly necessary to precisely control the heater element of
>>> the wide band sensor to be much more complex than simply extending the
>>> voltage range to interpret the WB output.  Did you embed any PID control
>>> elements in the EC3 for temperature control - or just accepted any 
>>> small?
>>> error associated with temp variations?
>>>
>>> Ed
>>
>> Ed, look at the LS1 line of Innovate sideband sensors.  They have their
>> own computer that controls the heater, and it just puts out a 0-5V
>> corresponding to the F/A mixture.
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