X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm20-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com ([98.139.213.165] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with SMTP id 6055063 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:05:42 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.213.165; envelope-from=echristley@att.net Received: from [98.139.212.144] by nm20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2013 01:05:07 -0000 Received: from [98.139.213.8] by tm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2013 01:05:07 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp108.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2013 01:05:07 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1360544707; bh=fLRS5wmWuWwRcWuEAjttfVFkNLEP1JcuMkIE8S26rOg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer; b=oyJjokIB6hhHniP7IRtZJANUCFlE02pPHHnokAjWg9F4oKIPnux/7VfvPudVgKNEME+OYwYWvm4Qf9KLFWNEz7Yad+Pp2mhy07AKAmfvKBnVpaI0x/bw8i1/1KAtfeq7ivRfhR5bRqzDqgz9romtkEsDMeyHd5fNeYOgMknvloc= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 849727.36361.bm@smtp108.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: T1CYNtUVM1muyiycM1nlnyDqX4QfF8wumiOWdb4ge8t6RJQ LkXaJBRuzNYYgZYvEY6NSu2_ULcVOUutaiaz.sEJF2Md77ZponkzDsy8Neul DpYHQoefGzZCvfgB.T5k40MUEAFnbUavajDx22NA.B5Wm42HgcmZ8lqv_1PR Ydx_fm3RjJZcW5bUJp3dGFG5WUltwXSv7ZaDf0YU.YLSmFkAMIgPZkblinAd rtWwVWtMHOqG927mV.bWztU_Y362yJ4sDnzYGP1k1d3e9g2yAc4tXOnczmxb kIdKcPjDsuc3lFaKRLCw88n.AyjbxAqJfNf21pDZRft8EQzHeM82HK3zwfqH IrrSnSY8qZmWbOO9OQ1AQ_Qver7s95P1g.JbiS5MUeH2Rhj_t2S9au0z9mM. LXwse4cqMT.qI7KpqtxyLNrHa0NKaZE6X90oI25NugyAbDA-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 40RP3pGswBDvPav1a.I8eMv.KS8bdgWBnCloVoKaow-- Received: from [192.168.1.7] (echristley@174.97.249.0 with plain) by smtp108.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2013 17:05:07 -0800 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Crickets & progress From: Ernest Christley In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:05:07 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1934307B-45EB-42B1-ADD6-B2BDEDD2F4DB@att.net> References: To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) On Feb 9, 2013, at 6:09 PM, Tracy wrote: > I decided to experiment with a wideband sensor. They have come down = in price so even penny pinchers like me can afford them. $150.00 range. = They typically put out a voltage between 0 & 5 volts instead of 0 to 1 = volt like narrow band does. The polarity is opposite as well so rich = mixture is at low end of range instead of high. With the latest = version of the software (after Feb 2013) you can now setup the EC3 to = use either type sensor. With the wideband sensor it is much easier to = target the exact mixture you want and to achieve the best fuel economy = in closed loop. The biggest issue I've found in tuning closed loop is that the computer = I'm using doesn't understand lean surge.=20 The rotary gets into a situation where the mixture is to lean to ignite. = The mixture doesn't exhaust as normal (because there is no expansion = from heat), so a lot of the mixture gets recycled into the next = combustion event. The next event fire just fine (because it has double = the fuel charge). The O2 sensor sees some combination of the two = events, and the combination is NOT a useful F/A mixture. =20 Ive found that the most useful way to programmatically tune to a lean = mixture is to move up to it from the rich side. =20=