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[98.95.181.66]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h44sm63923047yhn.2.2013.02.10.09.29.33 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 10 Feb 2013 09:29:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5117D8FD.5060403@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 11:29:33 -0600 From: Charlie England User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130106 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Crickets.... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070701010404080404010206" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070701010404080404010206 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit One obvious thing to do is to allow any sworn law enforcement or military person who's authorized to carry in the line of duty, to carry on board a flight. I bet the odds approach unity that there would be someone in a passenger seat on at least 75% of flights that would be armed. Charlie On 02/10/2013 11:19 AM, ARGOLDMAN@aol.com wrote: > Dave, > without commenting on my opinion of firearms, carry, etc etc, > The concept of aircraft crew carrying confuses me. The pilots are now > locked in their ivory tower basically hermetically sealed from the > cabin. In order for their fire arms to be effective they must open > that door. Once the cockpit door has been opened, the gun holder is > faced with the question of who to shoot (or shoot at) as well as not > knowing how many perps and what kind of weaponry they may be carrying. > and who may be just at the door waiting to disable them and grab the > weapon. Does this carrying arms really increase the safety of flight? > It would protect the pilot from his Co or vice virtue, of course if > they successfully shot each other better hope for external conversion > to remote piloting. > Perhaps it is the flight attendants that should carry-- or are they > subject to the possible forcible confiscation of their weapons. > This seems to be a problem, much more complex and sophisticated than > just arm everybody. > Perhaps the instantaneous injection of an anesthetic gas to > incapacitate all in the cabin after which the pilots with appropriate > breathing apparatus could do a triage and secure the aircraft.-- But > then we have to consider the potential possible lethal side effects. > How effective has the Sky martial program been. I do know that the > pilot is notified when one is on board. > Wondering..... > Gen aviation is the way to go--- just look in the back seat prior to > flight > Rich > In a message dated 2/10/2013 9:48:07 A.M. Central Standard Time, > wdleonard@gmail.com writes: > > Easy for you to say, you must not live in the Socialist Republic > of CA :-) > > It's funny that so man people feel so strongly about DOing > SOMEthing about to help prevent these tragedies. Great, what we > should DO, at a federal level, is make it easier and more socially > acceptable to carry concealed, or even open carry. That is the > most feasible way in my mind to minimize these events. I buddy of > mine went through the federal program for commercial pilots. He > said it was very well done, about a week worth of training. There > should be a Federal Concealed Carry program of similar scope open > to all (non felons etc) as a constitutional right to carry (part > of bearing arms, cannot be excluded by states, valid nation-wide). > > But I am preaching to the believers. > > -- > David Leonard > > Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY > http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net > http://RotaryRoster.net > > On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 5:19 AM, Bill Bradburry > > wrote: > > This may just be a concealed, concealed carry list! :>) > > If you don’t have a CWP, allow me to recommend it! > > Bill B > > > --------------070701010404080404010206 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
One obvious thing to do is to allow any sworn law enforcement or military person who's authorized to carry in the line of duty, to carry on board a flight. I bet the odds approach unity that there would be someone in a passenger seat on at least 75% of flights that would be armed.

Charlie

On 02/10/2013 11:19 AM, ARGOLDMAN@aol.com wrote:
Dave,
 
without commenting on my opinion of firearms, carry, etc etc,
 
The concept of aircraft crew carrying confuses me. The pilots are now locked in their ivory tower basically hermetically sealed from the cabin. In order for their fire arms to be effective they must open that door. Once the cockpit door has been opened, the gun holder is faced with the question of who to shoot (or shoot at) as well as not knowing how many perps and what kind of weaponry they may be carrying. and who may be just at the door waiting to disable them and grab the weapon. Does this carrying arms really increase the safety of flight?
 
It would protect the pilot from his Co or vice virtue, of course if they successfully shot each other better hope for external conversion to remote piloting.
 
Perhaps it is the flight attendants that should carry-- or are they subject to the possible forcible confiscation of their weapons.
 
This seems to be a problem, much more complex and sophisticated than just arm everybody.
 
Perhaps the instantaneous injection of an anesthetic gas to incapacitate all in the cabin after which the pilots with appropriate breathing apparatus could do a triage and secure the aircraft.-- But then we have to consider the potential possible lethal side effects.
 
How effective has the Sky martial program been. I do know that the pilot is notified when one is on board.
 
Wondering.....
 
Gen aviation is the way to go--- just look in the back seat prior to flight
 
Rich
 
 
In a message dated 2/10/2013 9:48:07 A.M. Central Standard Time, wdleonard@gmail.com writes:
Easy for you to say, you must not live in the Socialist Republic of CA :-) 

It's funny that so man people feel so strongly about DOing SOMEthing about to help prevent these tragedies.  Great, what we should DO, at a federal level, is make it easier and more socially acceptable to carry concealed, or even open carry.  That is the most feasible way in my mind to minimize these events.  I buddy of mine went through the federal program for commercial pilots. He said it was very well done, about a week worth of training.  There should be a Federal Concealed Carry program of similar scope open to all (non felons etc) as a constitutional right to carry (part of bearing arms, cannot be excluded by states, valid nation-wide).

But I am preaching to the believers.

-- 
David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net

On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 5:19 AM, Bill Bradburry <bbradburry@bellsouth.net> wrote:

This may just be a concealed, concealed carry list!  :>)

 

If you don’t have a CWP, allow me to recommend it!

 

Bill B

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