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From: Mark Steitle To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c43225b8da704d56048da --0015174c43225b8da704d56048da Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Federal Flight Deck Officer From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The *Federal Flight Deck Officer* (*FFDO*) program is run by the Federal Air Marshal Service with the aim of allowing volunteer pilots of commercial airline flights to carry firearms for the purpose of defending the flight deck against 9/11-style attacks. Following the September 11 attacks in 2001, the Arming Pilots Against Terrorism Act, part of the Homeland Security Act of 2002 directed the Transportation Security Administration to develop the Federal Flight Deck Officer program as an additional layer of security.[1] Under this program, flight crew members are deputized Federal Law Enforcement Officers authorized by the Transportation Security Administration to use firearms to defend against acts of criminal violence or air piracy undertaken to gain control of their aircraft. A flight crew member may be a pilot, flight engineer or navigator assigned to the flight. Participants in the program are meant to remain anonymous, and while armed, are prohibited from sharing their participation except with select personnel on a need to know basis. Any pilot or flight engineer employed by a commercial airline is eligible to volunteer for the FFDO program. Program size quickly exceeded TSA expectations after the program was opened for volunteers in early 2003. *In December 2003, President George W. Bush signed into law legislation that expanded program eligibility to include cargo pilots and certain other flight crew*. Federal Flight Deck Officers are Sworn and Deputized Federal Law Enforcement officers commissioned by the Department of Homeland Security/ TSA Law Enforcement Division. Officers are trained on the use of firearms, use of force, legal issues, defensive tactics, the psychology of survival and program standard operating procedures. Flight crew members participating in the program are not eligible for compensation from the Federal Government for services provided as a Federal Flight Deck Officer. [2] The TSA is accused of having a "deep, institutional opposition to the FFDO program" by the Airline Pilots Security Alliance.[3] On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Charlie England wrote: > Yeah, it's pretty funny. The gun & ammo manufacturers are loving the > current political discussion. Gun owners (for the record, I own them) act > like typical 'little guy' investors; they buy high & sell low. Most of us > on this list are old enough to have seen at least 3 or 4 of these major gun > control discussions over the decades (I remember the panic due to > legislation after the Kennedy assassination), & 'after changes upon > changes, we are more or less the same'. A year from now, I predict that > the only significant change in federal law will (might) be some type of > background check that pretends to keep felons from buying guns. > > A couple of political tidbits that some may not be aware of: > > The Bush administration fought tooth & nail against allowing airline > pilots to carry. > The Obama administration reversed the Bush era rules & made it legal to > carry in national parks. > > My conclusion would be to just relax & wait, & if I had a few weapons I > wasn't really interested in any more, I'd put them on the market. :-) > > Charlie > > On 02/10/2013 08:38 AM, Mark Steitle wrote: > > Am I the only one that finds it funny that I live in Texas but had to > order ammo from California? Go figure! > > > On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Tracy wrote: > >> AR-7 for flights over remote territory. Cheap, light, compact, >> amazingly accurate and carrying 350 rounds of .22 LR is easy. Hey, it's >> for survival, not an armed conflict! >> >> Tracy >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Feb 9, 2013, at 7:26 PM, Dale_R wrote: >> >> I don't suppose the shortage on .40 has anything to do with various >> agencies of the the Federales buying up pretty much all the current >> capacity of the major manufacturers for the next year or more? There are a >> lot of conspiracy theories floating around, but Occam's Razor suggests that >> the Feds just want to dry up the supply for everyone else. >> Without ammo, a firearm is just an awkward club. >> >> How much do you folks consider to be a reasonable supply to carry in your >> airplane? For me, 40 - 50 rounds (Rifle=20rd/box; pistol=50/box) should be >> enough to see me through a trek back to civilization. >> >> Dale_R >> >> On 2/9/2013 4:51 PM, Chris Barber wrote: >> >> Sorry Brother, the department supplies my rounds. I must qualify on >> Valentines Day....hmmmm. Also, I carry a Glock 22, 40 cal. Yes. I am aware >> of the shortage >> >> It's overcast here too and is gonna be at least the next two days, my >> days off from rolling and patrolling. Sigh. So tomorrow I will try to >> repair my fence so my pup doesn't try to knock-up every bitch in heat in SE >> Houston. I can do that in the rain. :-) Yes, I need to fix him....poor >> pup.... >> >> Chris >> >> Sent from my iPhone 5 >> >> On Feb 9, 2013, at 17:39, "Mark Steitle" wrote: >> >> Chris, >> >> Well, it is low IFR here in Austin-Lockhart today, so the wife and I >> went to the shooting range. We would have stayed longer, but in case you >> haven't heard, there's a severe shortage of ammo virtually everywhere. So, >> tell me Chris, what's the inside skinny on where to buy 9mm? >> >> >> >> -- >> Best Regards, >> Dale_R >> Cozy MKIV #497 >> >> > > --0015174c43225b8da704d56048da Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Federal Flight Deck Officer

Fro= m Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The=A0Federal Flight Deck Officer=A0(FFDO) program is ru= n by the=A0Federal Air Marshal Service=A0with the aim of allowing volunteer pil= ots of commercial airline flights to carry firearms for the purpose of defe= nding the flight deck against 9/11-style attacks.

Following the=A0September 11 attacks=A0= in 2001, the Arming Pilots Against Terrorism Act, part of the Homeland Secu= rity Act of 2002 directed the=A0Transportation Security Admin= istration=A0to develop the Federal Flight Deck Officer program as an ad= ditional layer of security.[1]=A0Under this program, flight crew members are deputized= Federal Law Enforcement Officers authorized by the Transportation Security= Administration to use firearms to defend against acts of criminal violence= or air piracy undertaken to gain control of their aircraft. A flight crew = member may be a pilot, flight engineer or navigator assigned to the flight.= Participants in the program are meant to remain anonymous, and while armed= , are prohibited from sharing their participation except with select person= nel on a need to know basis. Any pilot or flight engineer employed by a com= mercial airline is eligible to volunteer for the FFDO program. Program size= quickly exceeded TSA expectations after the program was opened for volunte= ers in early 2003.

In December 2003, = President=A0George W. Bush= =A0signed into law legislation that expanded program eligibility to include= cargo pilots and certain other flight crew.

Federal Flight Deck O= fficers are Sworn and Deputized Federal Law Enforcement officers commission= ed by the Department of Homeland Security/ TSA Law Enforcement Division. Of= ficers are trained on the use of firearms, use of force, legal issues, defe= nsive tactics, the psychology of survival and program standard operating pr= ocedures. Flight crew members participating in the program are not eligible= for compensation from the Federal Government for services provided as a Fe= deral Flight Deck Officer.[2]

The TSA is accused of= having a "deep, institutional opposition to the FFDO program" by= the Airline Pilots Security Alliance.[3]



On Sun, Feb 10, 2= 013 at 9:02 AM, Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com> wr= ote:
=20 =20 =20
Yeah, it's pretty funny. The gun & ammo manufacturers are loving the current political discussion. Gun owners (for the record, I own them) act like typical 'little guy' investors; they buy high & sell low. Most of us on this list are old enough to have seen at least 3 or 4 of these major gun control discussions over the decades (I remember the panic due to legislation after the Kennedy assassination), & 'after changes upon changes, we are more or less the same'.=A0 A year fr= om now, I predict that the only significant change in federal law will (might) be some type of background check that pretends to keep felons from buying guns.

A couple of political tidbits that some may not be aware of:

The Bush administration fought tooth & nail against allowing airline pilots to carry.
The Obama administration reversed the Bush era rules & made it legal to carry in national parks.

My conclusion would be to just relax & wait, & if I had a few weapons I wasn't really interested in any more, I'd put t= hem on the market. :-)

Charlie

On 02/10/2013 08:38 AM, Mark Steitle wrote:
Am I the only one that finds it funny that I live in Texas but had to order ammo from California? =A0Go figure!


On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Tracy <rwstracy@gmail.com> wrote:
=A0AR-7 for flights over remote territory. =A0 Cheap, light, compact, amazingly accurate and carrying 350 rounds of .22 LR is easy. =A0Hey, it's for survival, no= t an armed conflict! =A0=A0

Tracy

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 9, 2013, at 7:26 PM, Dale_R <dale.rog@gmail.com> wrote:

I don't suppose the shortage on .40 has anything to do with various agencies of the the Federales buying up pretty much all the current capacity of the major manufacturers for the next year or more?=A0 There are a lot of conspiracy theories floating around, but Occam's Razor suggests that the Feds just want to dry up the supply for everyone else.
Without ammo, a firearm is just an awkward club.

How much do you folks consider to be a reasonable supply to carry in your airplane?=A0 For me, 40 - 50 rounds (Rifle=3D20rd/box; pistol=3D50/box) should be enough to see me=A0 through a trek back to civilization.

Dale_R

On 2/9/2013 4:51 PM, Chris Barber wrote:
Sorry Brother, the department supplies my rounds. I must qualify on Valentines Day....hmmmm. Also, I carry a Glock 22, 40 cal. Yes. I am aware of the shortage=A0

It's overcast here too and is gonna be at least the next two days, my days off from rolling and patrolling. Sigh. So tomorrow I will try to repair my fence so my pup doesn't try to knock-up every bitch in heat in SE Houston. I can do that in the rain. =A0:-) =A0Yes, I need to fix him....poor pup....

Chris

Sent from my iPhone 5

On Feb 9, 2013, at 17:39, "Mark Steitle" = <msteitle@gmail.= com> wrote:

Chris,=A0

Well, it is low IFR here in Austin-Lockhart today, so the wife and I went to the shooting range. =A0We would have stayed longer, but in case you haven't heard, there's a severe shortage of ammo virtually everywhere. =A0So, tell me Chris, what's the inside skinny on where to buy 9mm? =A0 



--=20
Best Regards,
Dale_R
Cozy MKIV #497



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