X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm24-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([66.94.236.143] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0c1) with SMTP id 5749151 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 07 Sep 2012 10:33:14 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.94.236.143; envelope-from=echristley@att.net Received: from [66.94.237.197] by nm24.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2012 14:32:38 -0000 Received: from [98.139.244.53] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2012 14:32:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp115.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2012 14:32:38 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1347028358; bh=emHJq+bfuVaQ1qfy8om0nBBOwOlcMftsEQ0UHnzgi4o=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=tQqSWkVOHqEdZYg+pVUblVuF83lKO4Q7RCW+Pme6MmhdSRDPne3+SiCsQNX6fcb1NFspmiepInVmZgi1MiRwokJS1f8MUZJBHP2WwTJFIalaudLULjay1AL6KSRLT4MV4814MbNeN6bfNvdRMZy6SYgmT+6w8vqqZy3LNiwy+IM= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 589639.61430.bm@smtp115.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: oV04s.oVM1mKxTGuA4xzGIdloPeTcsQsKkZax7qdpJ96L5W ajmPAg5vmvl3P.oEal9oYUWZ2dcNne2A0ruSlrNW7MDdigbPF1Eju6Efa4aH LaeKo3piJGriH7Hk60djAkbHSTpiDXGoHXtQFTs3xzmdTHT2Nkgpn5wqoYM2 xkPpYS_72PCUz4nlj2QY34hO84Fr2o8SH699J.LDnf_BiUOmDmulj55n6_hQ HRat92d0xuvhwJ9tvYrVi.JAqmOii1XRzoAoZWFSzbQkMWLRlBgo.xUD2LR4 QEQjAyZYXZ1L0xwubtaD00QXyUsQ42Rvj2wuY7ctDBrFZu8FkFp9qk43HZB9 opawX0BTyMglXe4QPcYW8i0FQJKDvFrINUfjHbQRWqzi23S9EvZbwbKonYDa kTP6_a4WodP2K2MOBJcrzGdN4O6SrLXBRDrwSMA3p1LerfYnmRK5dw78hu2D sF.bt_Zow.sP6vIQ9ORmAwUvrz4YhGfpfZNNQRFKcTDxU5bNcVcSw2laWqBa wSnQc6xc6dkgWXBHReCrr0uTG829Oe1gjxPVFb180_FVbcPoSRrQLDojn8Kb y0DJJVQ394I271vnuZO08xMr8HuogDguQAkibhX2VDyQVrBeVW0eJchcposv nU16D7iBfGA-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 40RP3pGswBDvPav1a.I8eMv.KS8bdgWBnCloVoKaow-- Received: from [10.62.19.17] (echristley@216.240.30.4 with plain) by smtp115.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 07 Sep 2012 07:32:38 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <504A057D.1040506@att.net> Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2012 10:32:29 -0400 From: Ernest Chrisltey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Single lever control...and effective cooling!!! References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070502010009080803010600" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070502010009080803010600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WARNING: Reading this graph, keep in mind that the MAP is measured in kPa. It's that whole "metric" thing that the MegaSquirt uses. Either mentally look at it as a percentage of ambient air pressure, or divide it by 3 to get close to what Hg" would be. Not exact, but definitely be aware that I'm not running 70lbs of boost 8*) On 09/07/2012 10:21 AM, Ernest Chrisltey wrote: > On 09/06/2012 10:12 PM, Cedric Gould wrote: >> I think I'd be more interested in seeing these two plots with >> manifold pressure, rather than throttle position, plotted (same data). >> > Here ya' go. The first is the same data set. The second is the data > set from a couple hours ago. If you'd like to see more than you'll > know what to do with, download MegaLogViewer (it's free), and I'll > send you my log and configuration files. > > More good news. With an ambient temperature of 79*, I've found the > point where my coolant temps max out. Before, the temps just kept > climbing and climbing. Today, if I held between 2500 and 3000 RPM, > the temps would slowly start backing down from 205*. At idle > (~1300RPM), the temps would start inching up again. My oil temps > maxed out at 203*, and slowly started backing down off that at idle. > > I surmise that there just isn't enough airflow through the oil and > water cooler with the prop spinning that slowly. Both are located > about 8ft behind the prop. I would expect to get much better numbers > if the plane were actually moving. I'm going to test it out by > attaching a leaf blower to the exit of one water coolers this > evening. I've measured the exit velocity of the air from the blower's > 3" exit at 45mph. If that, working on only half the radiator > capacity, keeps the temps under 200*, then I think I can feel safe > that it will cool on takeoff (minimum of 60mph). > > > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html --------------070502010009080803010600 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
WARNING:  Reading this graph, keep in mind that the MAP is measured in kPa.  It's that whole "metric" thing that the MegaSquirt uses.  Either mentally look at it as a percentage of ambient air pressure, or divide it by 3 to get close to what Hg" would be.  Not exact, but definitely be aware that I'm not running 70lbs of boost 8*)


On 09/07/2012 10:21 AM, Ernest Chrisltey wrote:
On 09/06/2012 10:12 PM, Cedric Gould wrote:
I think I'd be more interested in seeing these two plots with manifold pressure, rather than throttle position, plotted (same data).

Here ya' go. The first is the same data set.  The second is the data set from a couple hours ago.  If you'd like to see more than you'll know what to do with, download MegaLogViewer (it's free), and I'll send you my log and configuration files.

More good news.  With an ambient temperature of 79*, I've found the point where my coolant temps max out.  Before, the temps just kept climbing and climbing.  Today, if I held between 2500 and 3000 RPM, the temps would slowly start backing down from 205*. At idle (~1300RPM), the temps would start inching up again.  My oil temps maxed out at 203*, and slowly started backing down off that at idle.

I surmise that there just isn't enough airflow through the oil and water cooler with the prop spinning that slowly.  Both are located about 8ft behind the prop.  I would expect to get much better numbers if the plane were actually moving.  I'm going to test it out by attaching a leaf blower to the exit of one water coolers this evening.  I've measured the exit velocity of the air from the blower's 3" exit at 45mph.  If that, working on only half the radiator capacity, keeps the temps under 200*, then I think I can feel safe that it will cool on takeoff (minimum of 60mph).




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