X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fmailhost05.isp.att.net ([207.115.11.55] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0c1) with ESMTP id 5747570 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 06 Sep 2012 11:27:19 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=207.115.11.55; envelope-from=bbradburry@bellsouth.net Received: from desktop (adsl-98-85-110-179.mco.bellsouth.net[98.85.110.179]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20120906152642H0500h5ge4e>; Thu, 6 Sep 2012 15:26:42 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [98.85.110.179] From: "Bill Bradburry" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Intermittent hiccup Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 11:26:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1BB398E323584FBF910D23C0A70D6DA8@Desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01CD8C22.7F1F0B10" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac2MQtFAyRnPAva1Q1uM7v09ech6xwAAJMFA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CD8C22.7F1F0B10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Steve, Tracy would have to enlighten me about a timing change. I haven't touched the timing from the factory settings. I will take a look at the MAP though. What do you think could be causing the fluctuations? A leak? This is at WOT. I only close the throttle if I am in the pattern to land. I control the engine speed with the MT electric prop otherwise. Bill B _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Steven W. Boese Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 11:17 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Intermittent hiccup Bill, If the end of a piece of copper tubing is crushed in a drill chuck, you can make a constriction of whatever size you want depending on how much the tube is crushed. The photo is of 1/8" od tubing that was used to dampen under cowl pressure measurements for cooling investigations by inserting it into the sensing tubing. The constriction would be most effective if placed between the intake manifold and the chamber (fuel filter). It is hard to imagine that the change in MAP in the range of 26.7 to 27.1 would in itself cause a hiccup unless a significant mixture or timing change is associated with it. An examination of the controller maps might shed some light on this. The instances of sag that I have encountered have not been hiccups but a sudden transition to new steady state condition of reduced but smooth power. For me, recovery from sag did not happen without some sort of operator intervention. FWIW Steve Boese RV6A, 1986 13B NA, RD1A, EC2 _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on behalf of Bill Bradburry [bbradburry@bellsouth.net] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 7:21 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Intermittent hiccup Do you think that I could have an intake leak that is causing this fluctuation? This makes no sense to me. How could it be fluctuating?? Bill B _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill Bradburry Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 12:11 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Intermittent hiccup I noticed that the manifold pressure was fluctuating between 26.7 and 27.1 during cruise today and I was getting some hiccups. Did you block both ends of the filter or just one end? I don't think I have a drill bit smaller than 1/16. What did you use to drill the holes? Bill B ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CD8C22.7F1F0B10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks, = Steve,

 

Tracy would have to enlighten me about a timing change.  I = haven’t touched the timing from the factory settings.  I will take a look = at the MAP though.  What do you think could be causing the = fluctuations?  A leak?  This is at WOT.  I only close the throttle if I am in the pattern = to land.  I control the engine speed with the MT electric prop = otherwise.

 

Bill B

 


From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Steven W. Boese
Sent: Thursday, September = 06, 2012 11:17 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Intermittent hiccup

 

Bill,

 

If the end of a piece of copper tubing = is crushed in a drill chuck, you can make a constriction of whatever size = you want depending on how much the tube is crushed.  The photo is of = 1/8" od tubing that was used to dampen under cowl pressure measurements for cooling investigations by inserting it into the sensing tubing.  = The constriction would be most effective if placed between the intake = manifold and the chamber (fuel filter).

 

It is hard to imagine that the change in = MAP in the range of 26.7 to 27.1 would in itself cause a hiccup unless a = significant mixture or timing change is associated with it.  An examination of = the controller maps might shed some light on this.

 

The instances of sag that I have = encountered have not been hiccups but a sudden transition to new steady state = condition of reduced but smooth power.  For me, recovery from sag did not happen without some sort of operator intervention.

 

FWIW

 

Steve Boese

RV6A, 1986 13B NA, RD1A, = EC2

 

 


From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on = behalf of Bill Bradburry = [bbradburry@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Thursday, September = 06, 2012 7:21 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Intermittent hiccup

Do you think that I could have an = intake leak that is causing this fluctuation? This makes no sense to me.  = How could it be fluctuating??

 

Bill B

 


From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill Bradburry
Sent: Thursday, September = 06, 2012 12:11 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Intermittent hiccup

 

I noticed that the manifold = pressure was fluctuating between 26.7 and 27.1 during cruise today and I was getting = some hiccups.

 

Did you block both ends of the = filter or just one end?  I don’t think I have a drill bit smaller than 1/16.  What did you use to drill the holes?

 

Bill B

 

 

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