Return-Path: Received: from [65.54.169.113] (HELO hotmail.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 2973830 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:09:09 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 15:09:08 -0800 Received: from 67.24.246.28 by bay3-dav83.bay3.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:09:08 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.24.246.28] X-Originating-Email: [lors01@msn.com] X-Sender: lors01@msn.com From: "Tracy Crook" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Renesis Engine For Aircraft Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:09:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.02.0011.2700 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0005_01C3EA80.CF8C7CB0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2004 23:09:08.0795 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA5490B0:01C3EAAA] ------=_NextPart_001_0005_01C3EA80.CF8C7CB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mine is being built from parts by Bruce Turrentine. BTW, there are a lot= of factors involved in building a Renesis for aircraft use that are not = obvious. For instance, you can't take the manual transmission version an= d stick an automatic counterweight on it without a re-balance of the rota= ting assembly. I'll be running an RD-1C 2.85 gear drive to take advantage of the higher = rpm powerband. Just ordered the prop and it was a challenge working out = how to get the same (or close) cruise rpm that I use now and still have t= he extra power available for 'afterburner'. Clark Lydic at Performance = Props was very helpful. I'll let you know how successful we were (or wer= en't) =20 I haven't got the bill yet but Bruce says he will build them in the aircr= aft configuration for about $5800. Tracy (not on the payroll of Bruce or Clark : ) PS: My favorite part of the 2003 Sun 100 race was my radio call to #28, = the longeze that started in front of me. "Race 28, race 29 passing high= on the outside". That was just as much fun as winning!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: ronald GOWAN Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 5:35 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Renesis Engine For Aircraft Tracy, can you give us the "poop" on how you got your hands on a Renesis engine and perhaps the cost? I may need one of these engines to run over you at SnF 05! =20 See you at Lakeland with either a Vari Eze (0-200) or my new Long EZ (0-320). Ron =20 --- Tracy Crook wrote: > Sounds like the NIH (not invented here) factor to > me. I'm betting (with money) they are wrong about > the Renesis. I have one on the way scheduled for > delivery next month. With any luck it will be > installed on the nose of my RV-4 before the next Sun > 100 race at Sun 'n Fun. =20 > =20 > The question I have for Powersport is: Why did they > stiff their customers who paid 100% for their FWF > engine packages and did not get their engine > controllers or exhaust systems. I personally talked > to 3 of them who had this happen and they said there > were others who had the same experience. Did they > make delivery or not? If not, I consider them out > of business despite their claims to the contrary. > =20 > Tracy Crook, (and you can quote me on this) > =20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Greg Fuess > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 6:32 AM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Renesis Engine For Aircraft > =20 > All, Some food for thought. Powersport has started > replying to e-mail on another list, and was asked > about the Renesis engine. This is what Tim had to > say. I had thought that the Renesis would have been > a great aircraft engine, but would have to lean > towards more educated opinion. The questions to > powersport and their replies are copied in full > below. > =20 > I would appreciate any feedback on what is said. > =20 > Thanks, Greg Fuess > =20 > Thanks for the info. Some questions for you: > =20 > 1. What is the status of Powersport? Is it currently > shipping FWF > packages for RVs? Which model RVs? > =20 > Currently we have completely developed FWF packages > for RV 6-7-8-9 (9 at your own =20 > "not recommended by Vans" discretion.) > =20 > 2. Is the Renesis engine interchangeable with the > old 13B? Obviously > different exhaust, but are the engine mounts, etc. > the same? > =20 > Simply put, the Renesis is not suited for > installation in aircraft. There are many =20 > reasons for this. > =20 > 3. Is the Renesis engine better than the old 13B for > aviation use? I > understand it has better economy and sealing due to > the new port > arrangement. Is there anything else we should > consider? > =20 > No, the Renesis is far worse for aviation use. It > does not have better economy, =20 > especially at the RPM range used in an aircraft. It > is lower HP! It still needs a suitable =20 > aircraft ECU added. It develops its HP at a higher > RPM with will reduce its life cycle. =20 > The changes made were for emissions and low end > torque, which are not important =20 > factors in aircraft. Mazda still uses P-Port system > for their top racing application. > =20 > 4. Is Powersport planning on switching to a > Renesis-based FWF? > =20 > No, see above. > =20 > I am not saying the Renesis is not a good engine, it > is a great engine... for a car. > The HP ratings are way overstated. Those who have > run them on dynos have reported =20 > outputs around 180HP. > =20 > Thanks, > Tim > =20 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------=_NextPart_001_0005_01C3EA80.CF8C7CB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mine is being = built from parts by Bruce Turrentine.  BTW, there are a lot of facto= rs involved in building a Renesis for aircraft use that are not obvious.&= nbsp; For instance, you can't take the manual transmission vers= ion and stick an automatic counterweight on it without a re-balance of th= e rotating assembly.
 
I'll be running an RD-1= C 2.85 gear drive to take advantage of the higher rpm powerband.  Ju= st ordered the prop and it was a challenge working out how= to get the same (or close) cruise rpm that I use now and still have the = extra power available for 'afterburner'.   Clark Lydic at Perfo= rmance Props was very helpful. I'll let you know how successful we were&n= bsp; (or weren't)
 
I haven't got the bill ye= t but Bruce says he will build them in the aircraft configuration for abo= ut $5800.
 
Tracy
(not on the payro= ll of Bruce or Clark : )
 
PS:  My favori= te part of the 2003 Sun 100 race was my radio call to #28, the = longeze that started in front of me.  "Race 28,  race 29 p= assing high on the outside".    That was just as much fun = as winning!!!
----- Original Message -----
From:= ronald GOWAN
Sent: Tues= day, February 03, 2004 5:35 PM
T= o: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Renesis Engine For Aircraft
&nbs= p;
Tracy,  can you give us the "poop" on how you got your
ha= nds on a Renesis engine and perhaps the cost?  I may
need one of = these engines to run over you at SnF 05!
See you at Lakeland with eit= her a Vari Eze (0-200) or
my new Long EZ (0-320).   Ron
= --- Tracy Crook <lors01@msn.com> wrote:
> Sounds like the NIH= (not invented here) factor  to
> me.   I'm betting = (with money) they are wrong about
> the Renesis.  I have one o= n the way scheduled for
> delivery next month.  With any luck = it will be
> installed on the nose of my RV-4 before the next Sun> 100 race at Sun 'n Fun.   
>
> The qu= estion I have for Powersport is:  Why did they
> stiff their c= ustomers who paid 100% for their FWF
> engine packages and did not = get their engine
> controllers or exhaust systems.  I personal= ly talked
> to 3 of them who had this happen and they said there> were others who had the same experience.    Did they=
> make delivery or not?  If not, I consider them out
> = of business despite their claims to the contrary.
>
> Tracy = Crook,  (and you can quote me on this)
>
> ----- Origin= al Message -----
> From: Greg Fuess
> Sent: Tuesday, February= 03, 2004 6:32 AM
> To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> Subject: = [FlyRotary] Renesis Engine For Aircraft
>
> All, Some food f= or thought.  Powersport has started
> replying to e-mail on an= other list, and was asked
> about the Renesis engine.  This is= what Tim had to
> say.  I had thought that the Renesis would = have been
> a great aircraft engine, but would have to lean
>= towards more educated opinion.  The questions to
> powersport= and their replies are copied in full
> below.
>   =
> I would appreciate any feedback on what is said.
> &n= bsp;
> Thanks,  Greg Fuess
>  
> Thank= s for the info. Some questions for you:
>
> 1. What is the s= tatus of Powersport? Is it currently
> shipping FWF
> package= s for RVs? Which model RVs?
>
> Currently we have completely= developed FWF packages
> for RV 6-7-8-9 (9 at your own 
&= gt; "not recommended by Vans" discretion.)
>
> 2. Is the Ren= esis engine interchangeable with the
> old 13B? Obviously
> d= ifferent exhaust, but are the engine mounts, etc.
> the same?
&g= t;
> Simply put, the Renesis is not suited for
> installatio= n in aircraft. There are many 
> reasons for this.
> > 3. Is the Renesis engine better than the old 13B for
> aviat= ion use? I
> understand it has better economy and sealing due to> the new port
> arrangement. Is there anything else we should<= BR>> consider?
>
> No, the Renesis is far worse for aviat= ion use. It
> does not have better economy, 
> especial= ly at the RPM range used in an aircraft. It
> is lower HP! It still= needs a suitable 
> aircraft ECU added. It develops its HP a= t a higher
> RPM with will reduce its life cycle. 
> Th= e changes made were for emissions and low end
> torque, which are n= ot important 
> factors in aircraft. Mazda still uses P-Port = system
> for their top racing application.
>
> 4. Is P= owersport planning on switching to a
> Renesis-based FWF?
> <= BR>> No, see above.
>
> I am not saying the Renesis is no= t a good engine, it
> is a great engine... for a car.
> The H= P ratings are way overstated. Those who have
> run them on dynos ha= ve reported 
> outputs around 180HP.
>
> Thanks,=
> Tim
>


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