Return-Path: Received: from [65.54.169.127] (HELO hotmail.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 2973761 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:21:43 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:21:42 -0800 Received: from 67.24.246.28 by bay3-dav97.bay3.hotmail.com with DAV; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 22:21:42 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.24.246.28] X-Originating-Email: [lors01@msn.com] X-Sender: lors01@msn.com From: "Tracy Crook" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Renesis Engine For Aircraft Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 17:21:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.02.0011.2700 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0004_01C3EA7A.2F4B2770" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2004 22:21:42.0285 (UTC) FILETIME=[19AD9BD0:01C3EAA4] ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C3EA7A.2F4B2770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds like the NIH (not invented here) factor to me. I'm betting (wit= h money) they are wrong about the Renesis. I have one on the way schedul= ed for delivery next month. With any luck it will be installed on the no= se of my RV-4 before the next Sun 100 race at Sun 'n Fun. =20 The question I have for Powersport is: Why did they stiff their customer= s who paid 100% for their FWF engine packages and did not get their engin= e controllers or exhaust systems. I personally talked to 3 of them who h= ad this happen and they said there were others who had the same experienc= e. Did they make delivery or not? If not, I consider them out of busi= ness despite their claims to the contrary. Tracy Crook, (and you can quote me on this) ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Fuess Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 6:32 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Renesis Engine For Aircraft All, Some food for thought. Powersport has started replying to e-mail on= another list, and was asked about the Renesis engine. This is what Tim = had to say. I had thought that the Renesis would have been a great aircr= aft engine, but would have to lean towards more educated opinion. The qu= estions to powersport and their replies are copied in full below. =20 I would appreciate any feedback on what is said. =20 Thanks, Greg Fuess =20 Thanks for the info. Some questions for you: 1. What is the status of Powersport? Is it currently shipping FWF packages for RVs? Which model RVs? Currently we have completely developed FWF packages for RV 6-7-8-9 (9 at = your own =20 "not recommended by Vans" discretion.) 2. Is the Renesis engine interchangeable with the old 13B? Obviously different exhaust, but are the engine mounts, etc. the same? Simply put, the Renesis is not suited for installation in aircraft. There= are many =20 reasons for this. 3. Is the Renesis engine better than the old 13B for aviation use? I understand it has better economy and sealing due to the new port arrangement. Is there anything else we should consider? No, the Renesis is far worse for aviation use. It does not have better ec= onomy, =20 especially at the RPM range used in an aircraft. It is lower HP! It still= needs a suitable =20 aircraft ECU added. It develops its HP at a higher RPM with will reduce i= ts life cycle. =20 The changes made were for emissions and low end torque, which are not imp= ortant =20 factors in aircraft. Mazda still uses P-Port system for their top racing = application. 4. Is Powersport planning on switching to a Renesis-based FWF? No, see above. I am not saying the Renesis is not a good engine, it is a great engine...= for a car. The HP ratings are way overstated. Those who have run them on dynos have = reported =20 outputs around 180HP. Thanks, Tim ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C3EA7A.2F4B2770 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sounds like the NIH (not invented here) facto= r  to me.   I'm betting (with money) they are wrong about = the Renesis.  I have one on the way scheduled for delivery next mont= h.  With any luck it will be installed on the nose of my RV-4 before= the next Sun 100 race at Sun 'n Fun.  
 
The question I have for Powersport is:  Why did they stiff th= eir customers who paid 100% for their FWF engine packages and did not get= their engine controllers or exhaust systems.  I personally talked t= o 3 of them who had this happen and they said there were others who had t= he same experience.    Did they make delivery or not? = ; If not, I consider them out of business despite their claims to the con= trary.
 
Tracy Crook,  (and you can quote= me on this)
 
----- Original Messa= ge -----
From: Greg Fuess
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 6:32 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Renesis Engine For Aircraft
 

All, Some food for thought.  Power= sport has started replying to e-mail on another list, and was asked about= the Renesis engine.  This is what Tim had to say.  I had thoug= ht that the Renesis would have been a great aircraft engine, but would ha= ve to lean towards more educated opinion.  The questions to powerspo= rt and their replies are copied in full below.

 

I would appreciate any feedback on what is said.

 

Thanks,  Greg Fuess

 

Thanks for the info. Some questions for= you:

<= SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">1. What is the status of Powersport? Is it= currently shipping FWF
packages for RVs? Which mode= l RVs?

= Currently we have completely developed FW= F packages for RV 6-7-8-9 (9 at your own
"not recom= mended by Vans" discretion.)


2. Is the Renesis e= ngine interchangeable with the old 13B? Obviously
<= TT>di= fferent exhaust, but are the engine mounts, etc. the same?<= /TT>

Simply put, the Renesis is not suited for installation in airc= raft. There are many
reasons for this.

3. Is the Renesis engine better than the old 13B for aviatio= n use? I
understand it has better economy and sealin= g due to the new port
arrangement. Is there anything= else we should consider?

No, the Renesis is far= worse for aviation use. It does not have better economy, <= /TT>
especially at the RPM range used in an aircraft. It is lower HP! I= t still needs a suitable
aircraft ECU added. It dev= elops its HP at a higher RPM with will reduce its life cycle.
The changes made were for emissions and low end torque, which = are not important
factors in aircraft. Mazda still = uses P-Port system for their top racing application.
4. Is Powersport planning on switching to a Renesis-based FWF?

No, see above.

I am not saying= the Renesis is not a good engine, it is a great engine... for a car.
The HP ratings are way overstated. Those who have run t= hem on dynos have reported
outputs around 180HP.

Thanks,
Tim

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