Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #55590
From: David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: VNE / Flutter Testing
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 21:41:22 -0700
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
All that is exactly correct.  Except, the real flutter test procedure is:
1) dicide on your Vne
2) fly 10 kts faster than that number (usually in a dive)
3) If you are still alive, test passed.
End of test.  :-)

Dave Leonard


3) If you are still alive, decided Vne is now official.

On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 4:01 PM, <Lehanover@aol.com> wrote:
That is a slightly different animal than a flap or aileron flutter. More like the trailing end of a flag that flutters continuously.
 
Flutter is a very high speed oscillation of usually an elevator or aileron.
After a paint job all moveable surfaces should be re-balanced to perfection or as close to that as is possible. No play caused by wear in any hinges is allowed. Use spherical rod ends were possible rather than bushings. Design in the longest throws allowed by space. This to reduce the effect of wear in rod ends. Add counter balance weights close to control horns. Build moveable surfaces to be torsionally rigid.
 
Do flutter tests on the ground by exciting suspect parts with transducers. A fluttering aileron can take off a wing like it hit a tree.
 
Lynn E. Hanover
 
 
 
In a message dated 7/3/2011 5:47:13 P.M. Paraguay Standard Time, thomasmann51@gmail.com writes:
This is what flutter looks like in a canard. 



On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net> wrote:
Ernest,
   The procedure is to test with many steps increasing speed in small increments always ready
to reduce throttle and increase AOA at the slightest indication of flutter..............
 
Kelly Troyer
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From: Ernest Christley <echristley@att.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2011 2:11 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: GSL393/74028 Fuel Pump Replacement/Fuel Leak

On 07/02/2011 11:12 AM, Thomas Mann wrote:
I know that the plans built composite aircraft (Rutan designs and derivatives) can have a Vne that can be higher or lower than the design specs as a direct result of workmanship. Each (in my case a Long-EZ) aircraft is a one-off and only flight testing can determine the TRUE V-speeds.
I think that is less of a factor in the RV world but a factor just the same.
Flutter is really ugly.
How is the Vne testing performed?  I can't think of anything other than pushing the throttle to the firewall and waiting to see what happens, but that sounds awful dangerous to me.






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David Leonard

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