Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #55580
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: VNE / Flutter Testing
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 17:14:57 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
One important step needs to be added for you brave souls anticipating flutter testing. 
 
When you "slap" the stick you need to ensure your aircraft is in a gentle climb so that any excitation of surfaces face a decreasing airspeed situation (putting your further way each millisecond from the critical airspeed that might cause flutter). Also,  I would not count a whole lot on the usefulness of a parachute if you should encounter flutter - the potentially extremely rapid disintegration of the airframe may well preclude being able to get out and be conscious enough to deploy it.  But, hey, I would rather have one than not {:>)
 
Also worthy of note, a lot of debate raged about the following viewpoint - a case was made in one of Van's Rvatiors  that flutter was a function of True Airspeed rather than indicated Airspeed.  The point was that while all other airspeed restrictions could safely be related to indicate airspeed, Vne could not. 
 
The argument was that flutter  was a function of  the velocity of the moving air molecules flowing across the control surface/wing.  Further while the dynamic pressure encountered varied with both the density and velocity of the air molecules, the excitation force (causing the flutter) was a function of velocity of the molecules and not their density.  Well, not being an aerodynamic engineer - it got beyond me. 
 
The point was that the True velocity of the air molecules of  an  IAS reached at 3000 feet was far different than when that same IAS was reached at 20,000 ft.  And that IF the argument was correct, then you could be far in excess of the intended Vne airspeed. 
 
This was all in the context of turbocharged engines as the power output of NA engines falls off proportional to altitude and therefore did not present the same problem relative to Vne as a engine capable of full power at 18000.
 
Me?  I should be so  lucky to have to worry about Vne {:>)
 
Just thought I would pass it one.
 
Ed
 
Edward L. Anderson
Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC
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Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 3:41 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: VNE / Flutter Testing

I read somewhere (I can't recall, sorry) that basically you speed up a couple of knots, let go of the stick, and then bump it forward and see what happens (being ready to grab it in a hurry).  the the same with elevator, rudder, and aileron.  Speed up a couple of more knots, try it again.

The idea is that you can have a "metastable" situation where there is no flutter until a gust of wind comes by, at which point you're 30 knots over where it can happen, so it happens in a hurry.  Creating the disturbance yourself prevents it from being a metastable condition.

Dustin

On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Ernest Christley <echristley@nc.rr.com> wrote:
On 07/03/2011 03:24 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote:
Ernest,
   The procedure is to test with many steps increasing speed in small increments always ready
to reduce throttle and increase AOA at the slightest indication of flutter..............

 

Dang!  I was hoping somebody had come up with something better than that.

Oh, well.  At least that gives me a "reason" to take up parachuting 8*)

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