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Fri, 27 May 2011 06:46:16 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/567 YahooMailWebService/0.8.111.303096 References: Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 06:46:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Blower design To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1687966400-1306503976=:73670" --0-1687966400-1306503976=:73670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ernest,=0A=A0=A0=A0 Intended to add this photo..........Check the blade =0A= orientation..............=0A=0A=0A=0A=A0=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" = (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backpl= ate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________= _________________=0AFrom: Kelly Troyer =0ATo: Rotary motors= in aircraft =0ASent: Fri, May 27, 2011 8:41:4= 4 AM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Blower design=0A=0A=0AErnest,=0A=A0=A0 The= =A0steel Corvair fan appears to be an early one with slanted blades that = =0Awill pump =0A=0Abest in the correct direction (clockwise from your cockp= it) but again no=A0OD =0Aor=A0ID......=0A=A0=A0 Perhaps Pat Panzera knows t= he Corvair fan dimensions............=0A=A0=A0=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA= JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_= Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_________= _______________________=0AFrom: Pat Panzera =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASent: F= ri, May 27, 2011 8:27:59 AM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Blower design=0A=0AF= WIW, the Corvair guys=A0regularly=A0throw away one-piece=A0magnesium=A0cool= ing fans =0Athat are geared to spin faster than engine RPM, which is=A0red = lined=A0at or a =0Alittle over 5000 rpm.=A0 =0A=0A=0Ahttp://cgi.ebay.com/eb= aymotors/60-4-Corvair-Magnesium-Blower-Fan-RARE-USED-/290487866240=0A=0A=0A= They also made a steel unit:=0Ahttp://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=3Dhttp:/= /cdn2.iofferphoto.com/img/item/171/240/045/dXva.jpg&imgrefurl=3Dhttp://www.= ioffer.com/si/gallery%2Bexcellent&usg=3D__0NS_PTSi9_466uVWQQCPeDqrmho=3D&h= =3D603&w=3D800&sz=3D38&hl=3Den&start=3D50&sig2=3DLJuDUf2MyogJNpb5-ArbJA&zoo= m=3D1&tbnid=3DPriKgVFSlUdxLM:&tbnh=3D158&tbnw=3D218&ei=3DmKbfTZntGcHiiAK2xv= XKCg&prev=3D/search%3Fq%3Dcorvair%2Bfan%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26biw%3D1066= %26bih%3D512%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=3D1&iact=3Dhc&vpx=3D551&vpy=3D200&dur=3D1199= &hovh=3D195&hovw=3D259&tx=3D177&ty=3D95&page=3D6&ndsp=3D8&ved=3D1t:429,r:6,= s:50&biw=3D1066&bih=3D512=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Fri, May 27, 2011 at 6:06 AM,= Ernest Christley wrote:=0A=0AYes, I did.=0A>Takeawa= ys:=0A>-the fan will flow between 10k and 12k cfm at 6000rpm=0A>-the fan wi= ll hold together up to 10k rpm=0A>=0A>What I couldn't find were=A0 any tech= nical drawings to derive dimensions from. =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On 05/26/2011= 11:59 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote: =0A>Ernest,=0A>>=A0=A0=A0 You may find this = interesting..................=0A>>=0A>>http://www.offroadvw.net/tech/wes/fa= n.html=0A>>=A0=0A>>Kelly Troyer=0A>>"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A>>"13B = ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>>"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold= =0A>>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A________________= ________________=0AFrom: Ernest Christley =0A>>To: Rota= ry motors in aircraft =0A>>Sent: Thu, May 26, = 2011 9:44:45 PM=0A>>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Blower design=0A>>=0A>>I found= the thickness is 37mm (1.46").=A0 I could stack two in the space I have if= =0A>>the OD is around 10.4" and the ID is just over 6.5".=0A>>=0A>>On 05/2= 6/2011 10:39 PM, Ernest Christley wrote:=0A>>> 4Hp is what I was expecting = to spend to get a 10% increase in pressure.=A0 That =0A>>>would give me bet= ween 15 and 20Hp.=0A>>> =0A>>> Does anyone here work on Volkswagens?=A0 The= y have a fan to cool the engine that =0A>>>looks like the shape I need, but= I'm clueless as to the dimensions.=A0 Here is =0A>>>what I'm talking about= :=0A>>> =0A>>>http://www.chircoestore.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=3D= 109_115_124&products_id=3D3295&osCsid=3Dhclq20d2slrq1qh3eec132ii90=0A>>>0 = =0A>>>=0A>>> =0A>>> =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>--=0A>>Homepage:=A0 http://www.flyrotary= .com/=0A>>Archive and UnSub:=A0 http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyr= otary/List.html=0A>> --0-1687966400-1306503976=:73670 Content-Type: text/html; 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Ernest,
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    Intended to= add this photo..........Check the blade orientation..............
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Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

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"13B ROTARY"_ Eng= ine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

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"TUR= BONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

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=0A= From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@la= ncaironline.net>
Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 8:41:44 AM
Subj= ect: [FlyRotary] Re: Blower design

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Ernest,
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   The steel Corvair fan app= ears to be an early one with slanted blades that will pump
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be= st in the correct direction (clockwise from your cockpit) but again no = ;OD or ID......
=0A
   Perhaps Pat Panzera knows th= e Corvair fan dimensions............
=0A
  
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K= elly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

=0A

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/= EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

=0A

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 T= urbo

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=0AFrom: Pa= t Panzera <editor.contactmagazine@gmail.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lanc= aironline.net>
Sent: = Fri, May 27, 2011 8:27:59 AM
Subjec= t: [FlyRotary] Re: Blower design

FWIW, the Corvair= guys regularly throw away one-piece magnesium cooling = fans that are geared to spin faster than engine RPM, which is red line= d at or a little over 5000 rpm.  =0A

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http:/= /cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/60-4-Corvair-Magnesium-Blower-Fan-RARE-USED-/29048= 7866240
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They also made a steel unit:
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http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=3Dhttp://cdn2.iofferphoto.com/i= mg/item/171/240/045/dXva.jpg&imgrefurl=3Dhttp://www.ioffer.com/si/galle= ry%2Bexcellent&usg=3D__0NS_PTSi9_466uVWQQCPeDqrmho=3D&h=3D603&w= =3D800&sz=3D38&hl=3Den&start=3D50&sig2=3DLJuDUf2MyogJNpb5-A= rbJA&zoom=3D1&tbnid=3DPriKgVFSlUdxLM:&tbnh=3D158&tbnw=3D218= &ei=3DmKbfTZntGcHiiAK2xvXKCg&prev=3D/search%3Fq%3Dcorvair%2Bfan%26h= l%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26biw%3D1066%26bih%3D512%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=3D1&= iact=3Dhc&vpx=3D551&vpy=3D200&dur=3D1199&hovh=3D195&hov= w=3D259&tx=3D177&ty=3D95&page=3D6&ndsp=3D8&ved=3D1t:429= ,r:6,s:50&biw=3D1066&bih=3D512
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On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 6:06 AM, Ernest Chri= stley <echristley@nc= .rr.com> wrote:
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Yes, I did.
Takeaways:
-the fan will flow between 10k and 1= 2k cfm at 6000rpm
-the fan will hold together up to 10k rpm

What = I couldn't find were  any technical drawings to derive dimensions from= . =0A
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On 05/26/2011 11= :59 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote: =0A
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Ernest,<= /DIV>=0A
    You may find this interesting..............= ....
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http://www.offroadvw.net/tech/wes/fan= .html
 
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Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DEL= TA JD2" (Eventually)

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"13B RO= TARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

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"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

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=0AFrom: Ernest Christley <echristley@att.net>
To:= Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 9:44:45 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Blower des= ign

I found the thickness is 37mm (1.46").  I could stac= k two in the space I have if the OD is around 10.4" and the ID is just over= 6.5".

On 05/26/2011 10:39 PM, Ernest Christley wrote:
> 4Hp i= s what I was expecting to spend to get a 10% increase in pressure.  Th= at would give me between 15 and 20Hp.
>
> Does anyone here work on Volkswagens?  They have a fan to cool the engine = that looks like the shape I need, but I'm clueless as to the dimensions.&nb= sp; Here is what I'm talking about:
>
> http://www.chircoestor= e.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=3D109_115_124&products_id=3D3295&a= mp;osCsid=3Dhclq20d2slrq1qh3eec132ii90
>
>


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